Home› U.S. Coin Forum
Options

1891 Morgan $1 QUIZ

Hi all. I thought I would put together a little quiz like thread here for you all to jog your minds and to see who can hit the nail on the head.



I recently purchased this 1891 Morgan at a coin show in Biloxi, Mississippi over the summer. It was in an old binder a guy had just sitting on his table. He had quality stuff, but didn't know what to think about this one. He had a relatively low price on it, so I said what the heck and picked it up just for kicks and giggles. I brought it over one of my long term dealer friends to see what he had to say about it, and he gave some insight. I decided to cough up the $100 for it to go to PCGS under Regular-Mint Error. I got it back a few weeks ago.



Throw out your best guesses as to what it graded and I'll post the results later.



Here are some pictures:



image



image

Comments

  • Options
    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was thinking somewhere between AU55 and AU 58, but then saw that damage on the reverse and can't decide if that's a large strike thru or just post mint damage. I lean towards PMD and AU details.
    "Ain't None of Them play like him (Bix Beiderbecke) Yet."
    Louis Armstrong
  • Options
    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a strike through wood to my eyes. I'm leaning toward a AU53



    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • Options
    Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weak strike and strike through on Rev, I would wager MS61. Niche market with the error however.
  • Options
    I looked it up in the cert verification so I won't post my "guess." Too bad you can't see the mintmark. It would be even cooler if it's an 1891-CC.
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • Options
    Originally posted by: TigersFan2

    I looked it up in the cert verification so I won't post my "guess." Too bad you can't see the mintmark. It would be even cooler if it's an 1891-CC.




    Good job with the trial and error for the missing number on the cert verification.



    I did tons of VAM research on this coin before sending it in, and the coin aligns with VAM 9b from the Philadelphia mint. That's why it's slabbed as a Philly coin.

  • Options
    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like AU53-55. The edges around the missing area on the back (good strike right up until the edge, then mushy details inside the edge, then drop off) make it look like missing metal before strike, such as a planchet flaw or lamination error, rather than a strike through.
  • Options
    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Almost looks like a laminated planchet rather than a strikethrough debris
    The more you VAM..
  • Options
    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lamination that deep would have weak details on the obverse opposite the area of missing metal. Because the obverse of the OP's coin appears fully struck, I would attribute this as a strike-through. My best guess for a grade would be somewhere in the AU range, depending on luster.



    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • Options
    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought about that Sean but look at the surrounding letter devices. If this was a strikethrough it was more solid than viscous and something that solid would have left more "hard" edges and wouldn't have let the devices form as fully as they did. If it was more viscous the R woudnt have abruptly stopped at the lower serif under the pressure of the strike. Its a tuffy for sure but I'm sticking with lamination. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.
    The more you VAM..
  • Options
    zas107zas107 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭
    Au55 Can't tell if strike through or planchet lamination.
  • Options
    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I'll say it's an AU 55 - Struck Thru ( wood, would be my guess !)


    Mike Hayes
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !

    New Barber Purchases
  • Options
    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    au 53. im not sure about the rest of it thou.
  • Options
    Danye WestDanye West Posts: 193 ✭✭✭
    AU53
    I could make a birth year registry set out of pocket change.
  • Options
    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    53
  • Options
    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU 55.



    Don't have a view on the damage.



    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • Options
    seanqseanq Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CascadeChris

    I thought about that Sean but look at the surrounding letter devices. If this was a strikethrough it was more solid than viscous and something that solid would have left more "hard" edges and wouldn't have let the devices form as fully as they did. If it was more viscous the R woudnt have abruptly stopped at the lower serif under the pressure of the strike. Its a tuffy for sure but I'm sticking with lamination. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.




    Chris, I would guess that the material was either wood or cloth, based on the texture of the planchet. It could also have been struck through a separate piece planchet scrap, but one that was not ever attached to this coin. Basically I do not think the surfaces are indicative of a lamination. However it happened it's a cool looking piece and a nice buy.



    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • Options
    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cloth usually has a different look and embeds and wood wouldn't look so amorphous and wouldn't allow letters to strike up at all. I'm sticking to my guns. Lets see if I get shot or turn out to be a daisy whenever the op reveals



    The more you VAM..
  • Options
    jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    58 struck thru
  • Options
    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    55 Lamination. Strike-thru wouldn't show any detail of design that was meant to be there. The ghost image of the wreath indicates the coin was properly struck. I'm a bit surprised there's no discoloration in the messed-up part.
  • Options
    Here's the details of the coin per PCGS:



    1891 AU55 Reverse Lamination.



    A few of you had it down packed on the lamination error and a few of you had the AU55 part down. Put those two together and the winners of bragging rights are:



    messydesk





    mvs7



    Thank you all for playing along. I feel like this could be a learning experience for us all...it sure was for me! For a $45 initial investment, I can't go wrong.



  • Options
    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow...got here too late....very interesting. Thanks for posting this... informative. Cheers, RickO

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file