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On page 26 of the September 2016 issue of "The Numismatist," the article at the bottom of the page states, "Castle's crowning achievement is the 50 States Quarters program, which netted nearly $7 billion in profit for the U.S. government and created an estimated 150 million casual coin collectors."

Given that the population of the U.S. is a little north of 300 million, on what basis (Jack Daniels?) is the author giving credit to the State Quarters program for making roughly half the population of the U.S. casual coin collectors? What is the definition of a "casual coin collector?" I doubt many outside the U.S. became casual coin collectors from the State Quarters program.

Now as far as netting nearly $7 billion in profit, this averages out to around $23/person for every man, woman and child in the country. This is probably referring to being require to buy an additional 4 quarters each year in the proof set and an additional 8 quarters in the mint set. This $7 billion number makes sens if 10 years of people paying higher prices for mint and proof sets, even if a small fraction of the country was buying them.

The 150 million number just doesn't pass the laugh test.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,414 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TigersFan2



    Given that the population of the U.S. is a little north of 300 million, on what basis (Jack Daniels?) is the author giving credit to the State Quarters program for making roughly half the population of the U.S. casual coin collectors? What is the definition of a "casual coin collector?" I doubt many outside the U.S. became casual coin collectors from the State Quarters program.





    I'm not defending the statistic, but you might be surprised how many collectors outside the US there are. No, I also doubt that half of the US population took up coin collecting on even the most casual basis, and like you, I doubt the number of collectors of them outside the US squares the account either, but there are probably more outside the USA than you think, is all I'm saying.

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭✭
    If you noticed the change in the quarter design at any point in the last 17 years then you are the U.S. government's definition of a "casual coin collector".
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    OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are also millions of casual paper money collectors. "Oooh, a two-dollar bill. I think I'll save it, it might be valuable someday." image

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    chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭
    I just sold about 150 mint/proof sets from the nonsilver years (1965 to current) at $3.50 per set.... not my best investment ever
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The figure does seem to be inflated...more believable would have been 15 million.... Cheers, RickO
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
    The source of that estimate was the United States Mint, based on their understanding of how many people saved State quarters out of circulation. Q. David Bowers has quoted their estimate in his writings. Obviously it's inflated if you define "casual coin collector" narrowly. But if you define it broadly and include people outside the United States, it makes sense.

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    CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭
    Casual Coin Collector = anyone that collects/saves coins



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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a U.S. government jobs report.
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think rather than state quarters the vast number of "casual" collectors are people with a few coins given them by relatives or inherited, people who glance at their change stream and pick out interesting stuff and pit it in their can/jar/box etc. Do Not demean the value of the casual collector because this is how a lot of material is/was preserved and the pathway many coins take to enter the world of the plastic tomb.
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Anyone who started putting different Statehood quarters into a Band-Aid box were considered 'casual collectors'

    How many 'casual collectors' bought statehood quarter from TV hucksters? By the millions!

    Then there were school projects for the kids...first to bring in the next quarter.

    Then just about everyone collected their own state quarter...just one (1) quarter and they were classified as 'casual collector'

    So yeah, their figure is probably correct but their definition of collector is way different than a numismatists opinion of a collector.

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's true but it rises and falls every month when those casual collectors hit the Coinstar.
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,417 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I might agree with the stat but by a very BROAD definition of what a collector is, as WJ has pointed out.



    But, by our idea of what a collector should be, it is likely much less.



    Although, I still believe that there are a lot of serious collectors out there, contrary to many others' opinions that the hobby is in decline; I don't believe that it is waning.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The figure of 150 million is wildly inflated. The State quarters did increase interest but most people did not care enough to put away even a few such coins.
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    jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say 5-10% of the population could be considered casual coin collectors, but certainly not 50%.
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    ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And during the recession a lot of those coins moved from the band aid tins back into circulation and were not replaced I suspect.



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    Like everyone else, I am not sure how accurate the figure of 150 millions casual coin collectors is. However, the $7 billion in profit refers to the massive seigniorage tied into the program. A quarter costs much less than that to produce, and the difference between that and the final "sale price" (25 cents) is retained by the US Mint. Multiply that by billions upon billions of State Quarters, and the profit adds up quite quickly! In addition, the Mint produced countless other quarters to replace those that were saved; this helped to increase overall profits as well.
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    ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are they including seinorage to come up with the profit number?
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    AblinkyAblinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭
    I've never heard the whole U.S. government profit side to the State Quarter program, though I have heard it supposedly created some number into the millions of new collectors. However, I still joking tell people I'm still waiting to see who all these people are.

    Andrew Blinkiewicz-Heritage

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps they consider everyone that receives coins in change as casual

    Steve
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    TiborTibor Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For the first 2-3 years of State Quarter program there were 40+ people that I
    work with that collected either from change or banks. Most did not realize that
    there was a "D" mint mark to be had. Latter on they quit and just spent them.
    I did buy several rolls at face to keep for my grandson.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess it all depends on how one defines "casual coin collector" , who cares if there are 150 million, or 80 million, or 220 million, if only a small percentage are willing to pay more than face value for a coin, and even fewer will pay the far more than face value that it takes to buy a really nice old rare coin.



    I'm a casual seashell, mineral, fossil, and artifact collector, but so what? I never buy them,

    so I don't "matter" at all to the market for nice, expensive ones.



    ... unless, of course, someday I decide that I'd like a couple better ones..



    and then maybe a couple more..

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can think of at least a half-dozen family members who (without my interference) have saved a handful of stuff. Usually it's a couple old Morgans, Bicentennial coins, a bit of old silver, or a few wheat cents. A couple of them pounded state quarters into coin boards. I'm sure there are others. I don't think many of them are tracking auction lots at the moment or planning on a visit to Long Beach.....



    We here at the Center of the Numismatic Universe have a bit of a skewed viewpoint when compared to the larger hobby.
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    For everyone who's saying they agree with the 150 million number (50% of the U.S.) with even the most broad definition of a casual collector, I remind you that the article says the 50 State Quarters program CREATED 150 million casual collectors. This means 150 million people changed their usage of coins to become new casual collectors as it means they weren't casual collectors before the program. So for those of you saying that someone who throws a few interesting coins into a drawer is a casual collector, for the article to be accurate with the estimate, those people weren't throwing a few interesting coins in a drawer before the 50 State Quarters program.

    X = number of casual collectors before the 50 State Quarters Program
    X + 150,000,000 = number of casual collectors after the 50 State Quarters Program

    I suggest that based on the very broad definition of the term "casual collector" implied by the article, than X was already a very large number before the 50 State Quarters program.
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, how come I don't know ANYBODY that collects coins (not including accumulating loose change) and have a job with quite a bit of public interface. I also failed miserably in GIVING away quarters and the earlier "buffalo" nickels .......
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