New purchase, raw '78 8tf Morgan

FadeToBlack · September 3, 2016 4:36PM

Paid $100. VAM 14.1A best I can figure.

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3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · September 3, 2016 4:49PM

Very Cool! Obverse looks 58 but with a new reverse...I say AU58+ and nice coin man

ricko · September 3, 2016 9:52PM

Looks as if it may have been a belt buckle coin for a while... clean reverse with wear on obverse... Cheers, RickO

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Kccoin · September 3, 2016 11:35PM

Wow sweet coin! Love the overall look

logger7 · September 4, 2016 12:38AM

Originally posted by: FadeToBlack

That's not wear on the obverse, just rubbed off toning. Has full, unimpeded luster with no hairlines. I'd call it a really nice 64.

Coin has problems; if I were you I would be feeling very nervous now like you've been had. Just to be a nice guy will offer you $110 for the coin delivered to get you out of your pain....just kidding, lol.

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jtlee321 · September 4, 2016 4:50AM

Nice looking Morgan FTB. I think it might be an EDS VAM-12 without the die cracks on the obverse though. The doubling on the reverse matches and from what I can tell, the eye on Liberty looks like it would match the obverse of the 12.

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Wolf359 · September 4, 2016 8:44AM

Yes, 14.1A confirmed.

14.1A is a die variety that grades very well. If the coin is fully original I can see 65.

AUandAG · September 4, 2016 9:31AM

now you know I love Morgans, but all I see with yours is the dreaded fingerprints.

bob

CascadeChris · September 4, 2016 9:41AM

Nice 8! Yes, 14.1a clashed. The neck clash is hiding in your pic though. The tuffy (understatement) is to find an unclashed 14.1. Every a1k reverse I see I automatically check for clashing first as a reflex and go from there as the 14.1a is so common that when you see the a1k that's most likely what it is. I recently got to see a friend's unclashed 14.1. He just plopped it in front of me like "no big deal." But he has a habit of doing that like the 78p vam 44 he casually put in front of me. My jaw now drops before I even pick up a coin he "casually" sets in front of me

logger7 · September 4, 2016 10:32AM

Coin show pick-up?

Wabbit2313 · September 4, 2016 11:58AM

58 for me.

oldstandard · September 4, 2016 12:05PM

if it has the luster you say I would go 64 but picture makes it look 58

messydesk · September 4, 2016 2:42PM

I'm at 58 or 63. I really can't tell on the obverse high points what I'm seeing.

Originally posted by: CascadeChris

Every a1k reverse I see I automatically check for clashing first as a reflex and go from there as the 14.1a is so common that when you see the a1k that's most likely what it is. I recently got to see a friend's unclashed 14.1. He just plopped it in front of me like "no big deal."

I always check those for being unclashed as well. Still haven't found a second one.

jtlee321 · September 4, 2016 4:15PM

I stand corrected.. Which is why I am still a student. LOL

CMCART · September 4, 2016 6:46PM

Nice coin ??????

jerseycat101 · September 4, 2016 9:46PM

That's a great coin. I see no wear at all. I'm in the 64 camp. Love the originality.

Cacoinguy · September 4, 2016 10:36PM

Def. MINT STATE - IM IN THE 63 CAMP

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coindeuce · October 27, 2016 9:28AM

@jtlee321 said:
Nice looking Morgan FTB. I think it might be an EDS VAM-12 without the die cracks on the obverse though. The doubling on the reverse matches and from what I can tell, the eye on Liberty looks like it would match the obverse of the 12.

The A1k reverse with die clashes identifies it as VAM 14.1A., and I see I'm late to the thread.

asheland · October 27, 2016 9:33AM

I like it.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2016 9:34AM

@messydesk said:

" I recently got to see a friend's unclashed 14.1. He just plopped it in front of me like "no big deal."

wowaweewa.
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AMRC · October 27, 2016 9:36AM

14.1 are always a great find!

coindeuce · October 27, 2016 11:04AM

@AMRC said:
14.1 are always a great find!

An un-clashed 1878 8TF VAM 14.1 find would be would be a major discovery. It seems odd to me that there have been few examples found, counterintuitive to the possibility that several sets of obverse/reverse dies would have been employed in striking these, and the odds of all sets of dies having clashed in use are highly unlikely. No one has ever proposed that all 14.1's were made from only 1 pair of dies that eventually clashed, and I'm not the one to push that theory.

AMRC · October 27, 2016 11:37AM

@coindeuce said:

@AMRC said:
14.1 are always a great find!

An un-clashed 1878 8TF VAM 14.1 find would be would be a major discovery. It seems odd to me that there have been few examples found, counterintuitive to the possibility that several sets of obverse/reverse dies would have been employed in striking these, and the odds of all sets of dies having clashed in use are highly unlikely. No one has ever proposed that all 14.1's were made from only 1 pair of dies that eventually clashed, and I'm not the one to push that theory.

Makes me wonder if the clash was created when they were calibrating the strike on the initial dies?

New purchase, raw '78 8tf Morgan

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