What the deuce? 1964 Morgan dollar in the latest Redbook?

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  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD
    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ...you cheated Cap't!...lol...I pressed the refresh button for 15 min waiting to hit a hundo! lol again image
  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    Sounds like they have hardware but no coins.




    Make some coins!



    mark

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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • BryceM
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    If the mint wants to do something really cool they could use what they found to create a 2021 Peace dollar commemorative. I'd buy that even if they made it of unobtanium.
  • lkeigwin
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    So no 1964 Morgan dollar coin was found. Galvanos, hubs, and master dies, yes. But no working dies or coins.

    Lance.
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  • dcarr
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    Wow.

    The US Mint should hire me to make some from those galvanos/hubs/dies.

    If they were struck over genuine coins, that might allow the Mint to make them without requiring Congressional approval (since they would only be altering coins that were already issued with the same design, and not issuing entirely new coins which requires an act of Congress).

    Moonlight Mint
  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: BryceM
    If the mint wants to do something really cool they could use what they found to create a 2021 Peace dollar commemorative. I'd buy that even if they made it of unobtanium.


    They could make a set in 2021 which includes 2021-dated Morgan & Peace dollars, plus 1964-dated Morgan & Peace Dollars struck from those original dies. They could probably sell 100,000+ of those sets.


    Moonlight Mint
  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Wow.



    The US Mint should hire me to make some from those galvanos/hubs/dies.



    If they were struck over genuine coins, that might allow the Mint to make them without requiring Congressional approval (since they would only be altering coins that were already issued with the same design, and not issuing entirely new coins which requires an act of Congress).







    Win



    Win



    mark



    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • RichieURich
    RichieURich Posts: 8,640 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's a real winner of an idea: strike 12,000 uncirculated and 880 proof 1964 Morgan dollars,

    same mintage as the 1895.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • cmerlo1
    cmerlo1 Posts: 8,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Based on the photos of the galvano, the mint did a great job of making it look like a modern-day Chinese counterfeit.
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • TommyType
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    Well, you know what the mint would really do:



    - Set the date to the current date, because that's all they are legally allowed to do.

    - Muck with the design until it's "sort of like" a Morgan dollar.

    - Strike it in proof only gold, for a price that only 5% of collectors will pay.



    In short....they'd do what they did with the Merc dime and SLQ quarter. Fans of the original Morgan will go, "Eh".....

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: cmerlo1
    Based on the photos of the galvano, the mint did a great job of making it look like a modern-day Chinese counterfeit.


    That is exactly what I was thinking.

    Gasparro had his moments, but he is not among the Mint's better sculptors/engravers.
    Moonlight Mint
  • wooglout
    wooglout Posts: 200 ✭✭✭
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    How about a 2021 4 Coin Set for the 100th anniversary of the end of the Morgan Dollar and beginning of the Peace Dollar?



    2021 Morgan - Business Strike and Cameo Proof

    2021 Peace - Business Strike and Matte Proof



    Price - $229.99 a set, HHL of 2, mintage of 100K



    Real dollars, not medals or dual dated commems. Perhaps make them .999 to help with the legislation?



    I can dream can't I?



    US Mint - If you're reading, that's $23M gross on one product! (you're welcome)
  • kiyote
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    No 1964 Morgans were ever struck so it's a fantasy peice, not a counterfeit.
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • mr1931S
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    dcarr:But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.

    The time is now to consider,Mr. Carr.image

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Justacommeman

    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Wow.



    The US Mint should hire me to make some from those galvanos/hubs/dies.



    If they were struck over genuine coins, that might allow the Mint to make them without requiring Congressional approval (since they would only be altering coins that were already issued with the same design, and not issuing entirely new coins which requires an act of Congress).







    Win



    Win



    mark







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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Justacommeman

    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Wow.



    The US Mint should hire me to make some from those galvanos/hubs/dies.



    If they were struck over genuine coins, that might allow the Mint to make them without requiring Congressional approval (since they would only be altering coins that were already issued with the same design, and not issuing entirely new coins which requires an act of Congress).







    Win



    Win



    mark







    image
  • Wabbit2313
    Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Wow.



    The US Mint should hire me to make some from those galvanos/hubs/dies.



    If they were struck over genuine coins, that might allow the Mint to make them without requiring Congressional approval (since they would only be altering coins that were already issued with the same design, and not issuing entirely new coins which requires an act of Congress).







    Yes they should, and make a documentary about the Morgan history and then you making these dollars, including the entire process.



    You do not get enough credit for the artist that you are, at least around here.
  • CascadeChris
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    Originally posted by: mr1874

    dcarr:But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.



    The time is now to consider,Mr. Carr.image




    Which is why I suggested a 1965 to him. But, like a true artist, he follows his own path instead of what's "trendy". I both love and hate that about him.



    That said, he might move his 1920 Morgan to the head of the line now image
    The more you VAM..
  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: CascadeChris
    Originally posted by: mr1874
    dcarr:But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.

    The time is now to consider,Mr. Carr.image


    Which is why I suggested a 1965 to him. But, like a true artist, he follows his own path instead of what's "trendy". I both love and hate that about him.

    That said, he might move his 1920 Morgan to the head of the line now image


    As more details come out, I may change my mind image

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  • breakdown
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    Originally posted by: Justacommeman
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway
    Sounds like they have hardware but no coins.


    Make some coins!

    mark


    Absolutely agree with this. Have no idea what the legal requirements would be to get it done.

    "Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.

  • cheezhed
    cheezhed Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought Morgans were just widgets?
    Many happy BST transactions
  • Overdate
    Overdate Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Darn, I thought I had the latest one. image

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  • PRIZ430
    PRIZ430 Posts: 306 ✭✭✭
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    Did anyone ever consider that since both Morgan and Peace dollars circulated during the early 1960's, that the US Mint may have come up with a novel idea of issuing 1964-D Peace Dollars from Denver AND 1964 Morgan Dollars from Philadelphia??? Maybe the plan to mint 1964 Philly Morgans was scrapped after the 1962-1964 Treasury release of $1000.00 Morgan bags satisfied demand in the eastern part of the country.
  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: PRIZ430

    Did anyone ever consider that since both Morgan and Peace dollars circulated during the early 1960's, that the US Mint may have come up with a novel idea of issuing 1964-D Peace Dollars from Denver AND 1964 Morgan Dollars from Philadelphia??? Maybe the plan to mint 1964 Philly Morgans was scrapped after the 1962-1964 Treasury release of $1000.00 Morgan bags satisfied demand in the eastern part of the country.




    The Treasury thought that a mere 45,000,000 coins of either design would be hoarded because of the perceived low mintage, so it was always going to be one design from one mint.
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • Overdate
    Overdate Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: PRIZ430
    Did anyone ever consider that since both Morgan and Peace dollars circulated during the early 1960's, that the US Mint may have come up with a novel idea of issuing 1964-D Peace Dollars from Denver AND 1964 Morgan Dollars from Philadelphia??? Maybe the plan to mint 1964 Philly Morgans was scrapped after the 1962-1964 Treasury release of $1000.00 Morgan bags satisfied demand in the eastern part of the country.

    Actually, demand for silver dollars (of any design) increased as Treasury stocks were depleted, which is why an additional mintage was proposed. By 1964-65 the price of silver had risen to the point that silver dollars were worth face value. I doubt that collector preferences had any influence on which design to adopt, since anti-collector sentiment was running high in Washington at the time (hence the elimination of mintmarks and the discontinuance of proof sets).

    I never understood (and still don't) why they didn't strike 1965 Peace dollars in 40% silver. Those would have actually circulated.

  • asheland
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    Originally posted by: RichieURich
    Here's a real winner of an idea: strike 12,000 uncirculated and 880 proof 1964 Morgan dollars,
    same mintage as the 1895.


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  • CaptHenway
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  • northcoin
    northcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Check out the separate thread from one of the four horsemen (Q. David Bowers, John Dannreuther, David Sundman and Dennis Tucker .."Dentuck") who actually saw the source of the photo shown in OP's original posted link. Suffice it to say, what you see isn't what you think you see.

    The thread is titled, "The 1964 Morgan Dollar Discovery."
  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Overdate
    Darn, I thought I had the latest one. image

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    PS: You can get that verdigris off the "5" using photo-shop image

    Also, check the reverse hub type. If it is a C3, or if it has a micro-o, then you have one of the 1902-O "privately-made" vintage counterfeits.
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  • CaptHenway
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    (crickets)
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  • Overdate
    Overdate Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: dcarr
    PS: You can get that verdigris off the "5" using photo-shop image

    I considered that, but I'm afraid it might interrupt the Monster Natural Rainbow Toning that the coin has somehow acquired since I took the picture three days ago. image


    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Also, check the reverse hub type. If it is a C3, or if it has a micro-o, then you have one of the 1902-O "privately-made" vintage counterfeits.

    Nope, it's genuine. I know because a cousin says he inherited it from his grandfather, who bought it at a bargain price during a trip to the far east and had it authenticated by the guy who sold it to him. image


  • IrishMikey
    IrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Originally posted by: illini420
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin
    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?
    Lance.


    image

    I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.
    But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.





    A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.


    Neat idea. I was already planning to do pieces for the centennial of the last Morgan and the first Peace dollars. I had in mind to use this format, but in a 50mm 2-troy-oz size:

    image

    Those three pieces are true works of art. A two ounce version with replicas of the Morgan and Peace dollar designs would be fantastic! I want several of each!

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: IrishMikey

    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Originally posted by: illini420

    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    Hey Daniel...let's put on hold your plan to release overstruck 1964 Morgans, okay?

    Lance.




    image



    I have considered a "1920" fantasy-date over-strike Morgan Dollar.

    But I had not ever considered a "1964" Morgan.











    A 2021-D Morgan will be fun in a few years though... overstruck on a 1921-D Morgan of course.




    Neat idea. I was already planning to do pieces for the centennial of the last Morgan and the first Peace dollars. I had in mind to use this format, but in a 50mm 2-troy-oz size:



    image



    Those three pieces are true works of art. A two ounce version with replicas of the Morgan and Peace dollar designs would be fantastic! I want several of each!







    Yes, the designs are works of art. It would have been nice if credit had been given to the actual artists.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.

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