A most unusual set of toned Silver Eagles
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I was looking at toned Silver Eagles on eBay. As you know, they are very common and there were a lot of listings and then I found this one. This has to be one of a kind and is priced accordingly at $4,200. That is for a set of 2011 25th Anniversary Silver Eagles.
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Here is the part that makes you go Hmmmm
These coins are all in PCGS First Strike Holders and designated as "25th Anniversary Set"
How did this happen?
Did they tone in the first 30 days when they were First Strike eligible?
Did they tone while they were still sealed in the government packaging during a time that they would still be First Strike eligible?
Or were they graded and encapsulated while they were still fresh and white and they have subsequently toned? I know I have heard it said that old holders could be "gassed" to tone the coins inside but I thought the new holders were sealed too well to do that.
I generally don't start threads on other people's listings but this was so unusual that I wondered what other people thought.
eBay Listing
Here is the part that makes you go Hmmmm
These coins are all in PCGS First Strike Holders and designated as "25th Anniversary Set"
How did this happen?
Did they tone in the first 30 days when they were First Strike eligible?
Did they tone while they were still sealed in the government packaging during a time that they would still be First Strike eligible?
Or were they graded and encapsulated while they were still fresh and white and they have subsequently toned? I know I have heard it said that old holders could be "gassed" to tone the coins inside but I thought the new holders were sealed too well to do that.
I generally don't start threads on other people's listings but this was so unusual that I wondered what other people thought.
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I have a 2010 (not slabbed) that is as white as the day it was made.It seems to me that these Silver Eagles would stay white for a very long time unless helped to tone red and blue to go along with the white at some point.
Are not light yellow/amber natural first colors for fine (.999) to tone to?
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Looking at your avatar.....I doubt that.
I wouldn't give spot silver for those ugly things. I don't know why PCGS slabs those hideous looking AT'ed bullion things and then sends back pretty NT toned coins as "questionable color"!!!
The toning on the silver eagles posted in the link in the OP is 100% legit.
The 2011 5-coin silver eagle sets were not packed very well... the capsules could easily pop out of the holders and sometimes the coins would pop out of the capsules. When that happened, the silver eagle would be loose inside the box. If opened up and put back in the capsule in 2011, the coin would be white... but now that it's 5 years later, if you open a set w/ a loose coin today, it will be toned just like the coins in the OP. I've seen several that way.
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I'm in the perky, non man made camp.
I wouldn't give spot silver for those ugly things. I don't know why PCGS slabs those hideous looking AT'ed bullion things and then sends back pretty NT toned coins as "questionable color"!!!
The toning on the silver eagles posted in the link in the OP is 100% legit.
The 2011 5-coin silver eagle sets were not packed very well... the capsules could easily pop out of the holders and sometimes the coins would pop out of the capsules. When that happened, the silver eagle would be loose inside the box. If opened up and put back in the capsule in 2011, the coin would be white... but now that it's 5 years later, if you open a set w/ a loose coin today, it will be toned just like the coins in the OP. I've seen several that way.
I agree with this. These would pop out and tone.
Understand: They do tone.
Don't understand: Toning to that degree in the narrow time frame which existed from issue to being holdered in "First Strike" slabs?!?!!!
If that isn't a stretch, then I withdraw my "?!?!!!"....but I tend to share doubt of the OP.
I think some missed a key point of the OP's post:
Understand: They do tone.
Don't understand: Toning to that degree in the narrow time frame which existed from issue to being holdered in "First Strike" slabs?!?!!!
If that isn't a stretch, then I withdraw my "?!?!!!"....but I tend to share doubt of the OP.
You can have a sealed box of these sets sitting on your shelf for the last 5 years, with a few coins popped out of their holders which have attractively toned over those last 5 years.
You can then send that sealed box of coins in to PCGS today and get them in First Strike holders if the shipping date marked on the box qualifies.
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I'm in the perky, non man made camp.
I am in the "any port in a storm" camp. :-)
How about this one
Wouldn't pay over 50k.
How about this one
Now these are "pure" silver ya know. Besides, for me to think it's original, I need to see fingerprints. That attests to the originality. I learned that right here on this board by the experts. You're welcome.
I think some missed a key point of the OP's post:
Understand: They do tone.
Don't understand: Toning to that degree in the narrow time frame which existed from issue to being holdered in "First Strike" slabs?!?!!!
If that isn't a stretch, then I withdraw my "?!?!!!"....but I tend to share doubt of the OP.
You can have a sealed box of these sets sitting on your shelf for the last 5 years, with a few coins popped out of their holders which have attractively toned over those last 5 years.
You can then send that sealed box of coins in to PCGS today and get them in First Strike holders if the shipping date marked on the box qualifies.
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Sorry.......no way silver tones like that in 5 years! Without help that is.
These do
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Just out of curiosity why the odd ball cert # on the last coin and the spread between numbers among the first two? I'm presuming these did not all come from the same set?
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Either not from the same set or, possibly, cracked out because of not agreeing with grade and sent back in. Less likely since it is still "1st strike" though, and I don't think these were toned like this in the first 30 days.....
I really like toned SAEs, but I am not a fan of these, from what I can tell from the pictures.
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That's some mighty damn expensive tarnish.
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I wouldn't give spot silver for those ugly things. I don't know why PCGS slabs those hideous looking AT'ed bullion things and then sends back pretty NT toned coins as "questionable color"!!!
I'm with you on that note.
I don't collect or like these but I'm very aware how easily these tone with zero help. I'm sure these tone very easily with help. However, throwing out the baby with the bath water can be a tough proposition.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So basically the non-believers or collectors with ZERO knowledge of ASE's are calling those with actual first-hand knowledge on how easily these tone liars. That with zero basis. Priceless. Par for the course around here.
I don't collect or like these but I'm very aware how easily these tone with zero help.
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So basically the non believers or collectors with ZERO knowledge of ASE's are calling those with actual first hand knowledge on how easily these tone liars. That with zero basis. Priceless. Par for the course around here.
I don't collect or like these but I'm very aware how easily these tone with zero help. I'm sure these tone very easily with help. However, throwing out the baby with the bath water can be a tough proposition.
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I don't know if you are referring to me as I don't really care about these. But, they don't need any help but they need to have the capsule cracked and who knows what kind of environment. I have some from 1986 and 1987 that haven't toned except a touch of brown on the edge where air got in the flip. Imagine that SAE in a flip?
Now I know some silver bars are toned out there, but I suspect they have been around longer than the SAE. Why aren't a whole heck of a lot of them toned with wild colors through the years. Like I said some are.
I been hearing on here it is the pure silver, now the capsule has to be cracked (but no help) and so on. Do I care, heck no I couldn't care less about these. But if you are lumping me into a hater, or no knowledge collector, I might have a little something to say.
If it were up to me they wouldn't even slab hunks of silver with circus colors. But it isn't up to me and I rarely say anything about these. I believe folks have a right to enjoy what they want without being harped on. But now we get stories on Silver Eagles. OY VEY. Heh
Not my thing either
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So basically the non believers or collectors with ZERO knowledge of ASE's are calling those with actual first hand knowledge on how easily these tone liars. That with zero basis. Priceless. Par for the course around here.
I don't collect or like these but I'm very aware how easily these tone with zero help. I'm sure these tone very easily with help. However, throwing out the baby with the bath water can be a tough proposition.
mark
Whew! lol
My WC signature 2011 ASE set, kept in a climate controlled SDB hasn't toned yet.
Normally you can send in a pretty little toned coin and whether it is AT or NT you just hope they find it to be market acceptable.
You can't do this with this set of coins. These coins had to be sent in for grading in a sealed mint box. Where these specific coins are assumed to have been contained inside the box but outside their capsules and without sustaining any damage, as they are all graded 69.
I don't doubt that this could happen, I just figure that the person who consigned these coins for grading without ever seeing them expected to get back 3 white coins and when he opened the box from PCGS and saw them for the first time he must have felt like it was Christmas morning.
As an aside:
It is true that the mint holders that have the felt type lining will tone coins and it is much more effective than taco bell napkins or window sills.
Second, no one addressed my other question but am I right in assuming that you can gas coins in older rattler type holders but you cannot do that to the new holders?
Second, no one addressed my other question but am I right in assuming that you can gas coins in older rattler type holders but you cannot do that to the new holders?
Yes, it was proven here, but examples that a forum member did (and got busted doing), that rattlers could be more easily gassed to produce toning.
The thing on the later/latest holders is not so much that they cannot be gassed, just that it may be more difficult to do. The holders are not impermeable. They CAN have air/gas/liquids potentially get through, given time.
In doubt? Put water in a bucket and drop one in and see how long it takes...if it does happen
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This is further evidence that Eagles should be pretty bullion pieces and leave it at that. Paying a premium (or in this case $4,200 for three) is just crazy.
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This is further evidence that Eagles should be pretty bullion pieces and leave it at that. Paying a premium (or in this case $4,200 for three) is just crazy.
It's a good thing we all don't collect the same thing. Imagine the prices if we all chased the same thing?
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
This is further evidence that Eagles should be pretty bullion pieces and leave it at that. Paying a premium (or in this case $4,200 for three) is just crazy.
evidence? Where?
Someone actually paid the asking price? Or, was it just the asking price and it is still sitting there?
I can't believe what some folks have paid for "classic" coins. They should just be considered pocket change and leave it at that.
Hmmmmmm......arguments on that? Maybe some folks collect different things, at different levels, and are fine with that?
PS....I would NEVER pay that asking price for that, but, to each their own.
I also wouldn't pay what some folks have paid for varieties. Maybe they shouldn't be collected? I wouldn't pay what some folks have for low grade classic coins either.
And, just to toss another one out there.....what about the tokens (not real coins) and what about bullion bars and rounds...some of them can get pretty darn expensive.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
toned ASES are much like breasts........ some folks insist on perky,whether manmade or not
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