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ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
I for one think there's enough evidence of crossover interest in art in the numismatic community that it'd be worthwhile. I'm also dying to see what artwork others here collect, and would share images of my own collection.

It's probably quite orthogonal to anything CLCT is involved in, but in the interest of generally supporting collectors.

What say you?

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it would be great to have PCGS authenticate works of art. Were they to do that, I think a fine art forum would be a great addition to the boards.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm a water color collector...I have only 4 but they please me no end.

    2 scenery, one boat dock/repair shop and one with two cowboys looking off into the distance (no herd or background).

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  • TigersFan2TigersFan2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: Weiss
    I think it would be great to have PCGS authenticate works of art. Were they to do that, I think a fine art forum would be a great addition to the boards.


    I think it would detract from the art in going to a museum and finding a Van Gogh in a giant plastic slab.
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would be very wary of posting any photos of art I owned or created on this or any other forum because of copyright considerations. Read the terms of use for this forum and you will see why.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You know I'd be in. There's a few of us artists here on the boards too, always nice to see others works.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TigersFan2

    I think it would detract from the art in going to a museum and finding a Van Gogh in a giant plastic slab.



    I went to an exhibit at the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam in 1990 and everything was displayed behind a plastic or glass shield. Not as low-grade as a salad bar sneeze guard, but still detracting.
  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: messydesk

    Originally posted by: TigersFan2

    I think it would detract from the art in going to a museum and finding a Van Gogh in a giant plastic slab.



    I went to an exhibit at the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam in 1990 and everything was displayed behind a plastic or glass shield. Not as low-grade as a salad bar sneeze guard, but still detracting.




    There are stupid people who think they can touch such paintings. OR even worse, crazies who try to destroy the artwork out of some mental illness. Think of the guy who shot up the Pietà in St. Peter's Basilica -- now it's behind bullet proof glass. Not to mention, the plastic covering often blocks UV light and keeps people from breathing or worse on it.





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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: brg5658

    There are stupid people who think they can touch such paintings. OR even worse, crazies who try to destroy the artwork out of some mental illness. Think of the guy who shot up the Pietà in St. Peter's Basilica -- now it's behind bullet proof glass. Not to mention, the plastic covering often blocks UV light and keeps people from breathing or worse on it.



    Of course. Doesn't mean it's not distracting, just like slabs can be when looking at coins. There are some really good optical shields that can be used, that are coated like a camera lens to be nearly invisible. These are much less distracting, but they weren't in use for the 1990 exhibit. The current Van Gogh exhibit in Chicago does use this sort of glass. It would be nice if slabs were like this, but the cost would go up and the non-reflective coating wouldn't stand up to typical handling.



  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silver?

    Aesthetic period? image


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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love it.Tell more about it.image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ranshdow
    I for one think there's enough evidence of crossover interest in art in the numismatic community that it'd be worthwhile. I'm also dying to see what artwork others here collect, and would share images of my own collection.

    It's probably quite orthogonal to anything CLCT is involved in, but in the interest of generally supporting collectors.

    What say you?



    Have never met Stewart Blay, but he comes to mind, numismatically and artistically speaking.
  • I would hope that PCGS authenticates artworks to give acceptance for my masterpiece to silence the art snobs who continually look down and cast aspersions upon my 'Dogs Playing Poker'.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: asheland
    Silver?

    Aesthetic period? image


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    Oh we're doing metalwork? image

    Jos Heinrich:

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    Brown and Sons:

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't wait to see the first nude post and the hoopla that follows. image

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amongst other problems, I see a few MINOR (cough, cough) issues with transporting the pictures to and from PCGS's facilities.

    Actually, thinking of "other" collecting fields, NGC now grades and slabs Robbins medallions. For those that don't know what Robbins medallions are, they are roughly between the size of a quarter and a half dollar, and they've flown on every US space mission since Apollo 7 in 1968. The coins are a metallic representation of the mission patch.

    FWIW, the grades aren't particularly important to the value of the medallion. The main thing is, how many were flown on any given mission (or famous mission in the case of Apollo 11). By far the most valuable are ones that flew on the Apollo missions. The earth orbiting Apollo mission Robbins tend to cost around $3,000, the ones that went to the Moon range from ~ $6,000 and up. I've seen prices up to about $65,000. FWIW, the Apollo 11 ones will run you about $25,000 - $35,000. While the more expensive ones would tend to be in better condition, I've certainly seen multiple ones in nice condition going in the lower price range, and seen multiple times ones in lesser condition going in the higher price range. It seems to have more to do with the ebb and flow of collectors in the Robbins field. As mentioned the fact that the Robbins flew on the specific mission is more important to space memorabilia collectors, and all you need is two new collectors to send the prices upwards, sometimes significantly.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they were to get into the "fine art" business, then I would agree that a forum dedicated to such would be fine.



    Until then, I would bet there are enough "fine art" forums that exist without adding one here that would likely be slower than a stamps and autograph forum.....

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree that it would be out of place on this site.



    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • TigersFan2TigersFan2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭
    I don't understand what PCGS would do in the fine art business. How would they grade art when each person views art differently. It's about personal preferences. How could one piece of art rate a 63 while another a 40 (assuming our 70 point scale)? There are already art houses and experts who can verify the artist and whether it's real or a forgery.

    Here's a painting I did in an art class a few years ago. Would it grade as a forgery or would it grade as authentic with me as the painter? I'm no Van Gogh but I'm quite pleased with the outcome given that I've had no art training.

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    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Art can be authenticated, and it can also be 'valued'... however, it is not an appropriate medium for 'grading', that should be obvious. I see no real role for our hosts in this area. Cheers, RickO
  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: messydesk

    Originally posted by: TigersFan2

    I think it would detract from the art in going to a museum and finding a Van Gogh in a giant plastic slab.



    I went to an exhibit at the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam in 1990 and everything was displayed behind a plastic or glass shield. Not as low-grade as a salad bar sneeze guard, but still detracting.




    I agree that it detracts, but in this day and age, if I loaned a painting or other rare/valuable item for an exhibit, I wouldn't agree without some sort of protection. Otherwise people like this will inevitably walk by:



    This was a 1.5 million dollar painting...



    This was a "priceless" clock...
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Weiss
    Originally posted by: asheland
    Silver?

    Aesthetic period? image


    image



    Oh we're doing metalwork? image

    Jos Heinrich:

    image

    Brown and Sons:

    image


    Absolutely superb! I love the rabbits! image
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Absolutely superb! I love the rabbits! image



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    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Yep, rabbits perched on curled silver.

    US coins are stinkers compared to this.

    Really. Think about it.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rabbit stew??



    Who knows what the next generation will like?? Be careful what you buy......
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Lakesammman
    Rabbit stew??

    Who knows what the next generation will like?? Be careful what you buy......


    image



  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weiss, that book that is mentioned is terrific for American silver of that period.

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