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Yorkshireman
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How is it possible that this coin is not Red Brown?
I bought it in an NGC holder with the grade of 65 RB. It came back form our hosts as a 65 Brown.
The price guide difference is not that much ($235 vs. $185), but how can a coin with so much red in it (especially the nearly all red reverse) be considered brown?
I resent the fact that I would have to pay for reconsider to get it in the holder it should be in anyway. IMO, this is not like a numerical grade opinion. Red is Red.
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I bought it in an NGC holder with the grade of 65 RB. It came back form our hosts as a 65 Brown.
The price guide difference is not that much ($235 vs. $185), but how can a coin with so much red in it (especially the nearly all red reverse) be considered brown?
I resent the fact that I would have to pay for reconsider to get it in the holder it should be in anyway. IMO, this is not like a numerical grade opinion. Red is Red.
Opinions?
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It's probably also the case if you submitted this coin in half a dozen times, you'd get 1 or more RB grades out of it. You have one single grading event at PCGS. The standards for PCGS vs. NGC on gem 19th century copper are somewhat different.
Tom
For me, the disconnect is in the price spread between the two color designations. A nice coin like yours in BN is not a dog because of it and should be worth more, and prob would sell for more than the price guides show. When I can I buy brown copper from people that don't understand this. A lot of times it's a way cooler coin than a simply red coin. Color designation sliders just don't need to be chased IMO. Heck, I'd have been ok just leaving it in the ngc holder in the first place.
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Did you crack it out? Or submit for cross at any grade?
I submitted in the holder for cross at any grade.
maybe if you had asked for it to be "reverse facing out" when crossed over they would have felt guilty and called it RB. then you could have sent it in for re-holder facing normally.
Interesting idea!
Wish I had thought of that.
In the 1970's to 80's (technical grading) before PCGS, copper was called brown until some original red started to show in the recesses. Then it was red-brown all the way until it was totally red. Real simple - less than 1% disagreements and those collectors were probably color blind. Now you can't pin any TPGS color down for sure! The two coins here make the point. IMO, calling the two coins posted above "Brown" is STUPID!
If not now then later.
You can stay much calmer if you don't search for red.
Or....stick with pre 1794 and be happy with ANYTHING!
nice coin anyway!
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BN is supposed to be under 5% RD. As roadrunner stated, the obverse predominately determines what color designation Lincolns receive. Example of a BN Lincoln below. I concur with PCGS on the OP's IHC.
EDIT: Apparently, one cause of the Error Code: 113 is from including the less than or greater than symbols in your message. I tried posting a comment with that single character and it fails. It may have to do with it being a reserved character as an HTML tag.
Boy do I disagree. The OP coin and this Lincoln BOTH should be RB.
How is it possible that this coin is not Red Brown?
I bought it in an NGC holder with the grade of 65 RB. It came back form our hosts as a 65 Brown.
The price guide difference is not that much ($235 vs. $185), but how can a coin with so much red in it (especially the nearly all red reverse) be considered brown?
I resent the fact that I would have to pay for reconsider to get it in the holder it should be in anyway. IMO, this is not like a numerical grade opinion. Red is Red.
Opinions?
Red is red. Brown is brown
I sent in 2 that just came back.
Both were graded 64.
One RD (worth much more), and one BN ( with much more eye appeal, imo )
I think GREEN should be a designation, too.
...and purple, as well.
I would have preferred no color designation since copper is the color.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. EYE APPEAL speaks louder.
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it is slightly overgraded, so to speak.
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BN is 5% red? I was always taught 20%
Pulled from PCGS site:
Red & Brown (RB) (5% to 95% or original red visible)
Brown (BN) (Less than 5% of original red color visible)
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I would grade that a brown.
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