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When will repaired scratches be acceptable??

Ed62Ed62 Posts: 857 ✭✭
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With the advances in precision lasers and 3-D/circuit board printing, when will it be possible to repair scratches on a coin to a degree acceptable to the grading services??

Ed

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Useless without pics....or are you just winging it?



    Never, is my opinion.



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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hopefully, never, IMO.
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  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never! Laser on a coin will never be acceptable.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When the TPG grader can't tell if it's been messed with.
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will get there and some would say, since the scratch was not meant to be there, taking it off is OK.
  • WildIdeaWildIdea Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, this coin collector owned a high end tattoo removal laser for 5 years and it's quite effective at removing spots on coins. Certain wavelengths focus on individual colors and ignore everything else, such as the color on the original coin. Same as removing tattoo pigment and leaving the skin intact. I think it's legit for spot removal restorations. With the right trial and error, the proper settings can be achieved for each type of metal. Who knows what other lasers are good for or what they're capable of but I'm open to the possibilities if it's appropriate. The word "laser" has become a tag word for deceptive coin doctoring and it's a shame as there is potential for real good to come from it.

  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    For some reason I'm picturing someone playing around with a laser and say a VG Indian cent so there are no marks or blemishes,

    only perfect surfaces on a really worn coin. LOL



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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Movement of metal is one of the reasons for NG / genuine - Code 98.

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  • s4nys4ny Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭
    Schrodinger's scratch.
  • Ed62Ed62 Posts: 857 ✭✭
    FWIW Dept:

    There are several techniques accepted by the TPG's today that were not accepted 20 -25 years ago. To name a few:

    'Dipping'

    Artificial toning

    'Chocolatizing' copper proofs that had irregular toning

    There is a major pattern coin that had a prominent staple scratch in its proof fields that has since been repaired and is now slabbed.

    - - - - - - - there are probably others.

    Ed
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When it is undetectable (such as many AT processes - yes, that people swear are NT)...then it will obviously be accepted.....and the individual that perfects the process will be able to make major profits....as will the TPG's as those coins go in for grading.... as will the owners if the upgrade is significant to the particular coin. Profit all around.... Cheers, RickO
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So if a modern day klutz put a scratch on one of the Langbord 1933 double eagles, it's not ok to try to repair it, OR is it ok to repair it as long as you disclose the repair?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ... when the blind lead.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CAC!!!!



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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    It would be nice to have a "scratch-away" feature, but there would be an ethical debate as to whether it is conservation or doctoring.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BAJJERFAN

    When the TPG grader can't tell if it's been messed with.






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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

    It will get there and some would say, since the scratch was not meant to be there, taking it off is OK.


    image That made me laugh. Sounds right.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A coin with a scratch gets net graded by a TPG. The coin is later cracked out and the scratch is expertly "repaired" and the coin is resubmitted to the same TPG. The coin is seen by two graders the first of whom "upgrades" it while the second grader remembers the coin as having been scratched. How should he grade it?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LindeDad
    Originally posted by: BAJJERFAN
    When the TPG grader can't tell if it's been messed with.



    image never openly.

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    +1 I agree as well.

    Is there any reason to believe that it isn't going on right now?

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG
    Useless without pics....or are you just winging it?

    Never, is my opinion.

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