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LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw that. What an outstanding achievement! I can't imagine doing that.

    It's hard enough going after the 123 Bust Dimes by JR number.

    A BIG congrats to Mr. Link!
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The complete die marriage set, including the 3 crushed letter edges, in an average grade of 63. A spectacular achievement!



    The cherry on top is that Chuck also owns the 1814 Platinum.

    Lance.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The final coin Chuck had been avidly seeking for several years was found on eBay and bought by someone in the NW. He placed a nuclear maximum bid and the auction ended at under $74.



    Now that's a cherry pick.

    Lance.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    The complete die marriage set, including the 3 crushed letter edges,

    Lance.




    will you point me in the right direction for pix of these crushed edges. looked, searched and saw no edge pix. :/



    i may have seen one recently.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you're looking for images of the edges themselves I'm not much help. I know Coinfacts has images of the 1833 CLE. Not the 1834 or 1835. And only the obverses and reverses.



    The CLE's were minted using a close collar (and probably a steam press at the new Mint in 1836). The edge lettering got largely obliterated during the striking of multiple blows. They feature square rims and flat wire edges. They also have beaded dentilation. And a common reverse die (1836 O.106).



    A lot of folks consider them experimental tests and there is debate about when they were actually struck. Only a handful exist.



    The late Russell Logan wrote about them for the John Reich Journal in Dec. 1990. My collection doesn't go back that far but I'll bet there are photos of the edges.

    Lance.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep ... truly spectacular!

    I will be thrilled to reach 440 of 450 ... with the last 10 being R6 and above.

    Oh yeah ... and to be the one who cherried the 1829 O-120 for $74 ... the thing of dreams.
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  • msch1manmsch1man Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    The final coin Chuck had been avidly seeking for several years was found on eBay and bought by someone in the NW. He placed a nuclear maximum bid and the auction ended at under $74.



    Now that's a cherry pick.

    Lance.




    I would guess it's pure conjecture, but what do you think that coin would have brought if it was properly marketed/attributed in a large auction? For his/her sake, I hope the poor sap that let it go for $74 never finds out what they really had!
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Given that there are 3 known...so only 3 owners can achieve a complete set...I'd guess $100k.

    Lance.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    Given that there are 3 known...so only 3 owners can achieve a complete set...I'd guess $100k.

    Lance.




    Probably close but maybe too high. Based on 1827 O-149 and 1825 O-118, my guess would be $75K or so.



    Disclosure note: I do know the owner, but of course I would never ask the cost of the coin.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW! image

    Edit: Odd that the article talks about so much about him and the set but does not link to it and then it seems the registry set is not public or maybe I am just looking in the wrong place?
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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Great set and great achievement image

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How can we know that there isn't another yet undiscovered variety out there?

    What would a new,previously unattributed bust half to make the total 454 known bring at auction?

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another great accomplishment..... and interesting story of the completion. Cheers, RickO
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lkeigwin





    tyvm

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  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC



    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    The complete die marriage set, including the 3 crushed letter edges,

    Lance.




    will you point me in the right direction for pix of these crushed edges. looked, searched and saw no edge pix. :/



    i may have seen one recently.

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    There is a picture showing the 1833 edge in the Pogue III catalog on page 198. The pic is not in the online lot listing. If you don't have access to the physical catalog, the PDF version can be brought up through Stack's website below. It is on page 214 of the PDF file.



    These are specific Proof Only die varieties that have the value and are not like a doubled or overlapped edge lettering etc that appear on many different die varieties. Still one might possibly be out there waiting to be found as one of the 1834 Crushed Lettered Edge coins is an EF.





    http://old.stacksbowers.com/Au...ve/CatalogLibrary.aspx





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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: WinLoseWin

    Still one might possibly be out there waiting to be found as one of the 1834 Crushed Lettered Edge coins is an EF.



    http://old.stacksbowers.com/Au...ve/CatalogLibrary.aspx





    very much appreciate it and my hopes is to find a severely impaired proof via the edge and other diags mentioned.



    added:



    that is not even close to what i saw or have ever seen. mystery solved. image

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: WinLoseWin



    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC



    Originally posted by: lkeigwin

    The complete die marriage set, including the 3 crushed letter edges,

    Lance.




    will you point me in the right direction for pix of these crushed edges. looked, searched and saw no edge pix. :/



    i may have seen one recently.




    There is a picture showing the 1833 edge in the Pogue III catalog on page 198. The pic is not in the online lot listing. If you don't have access to the physical catalog, the PDF version can be brought up through Stack's website below. It is on page 214 of the PDF file.



    These are specific Proof Only die varieties that have the value and are not like a doubled or overlapped edge lettering etc that appear on many different die varieties. Still one might possibly be out there waiting to be found as one of the 1834 Crushed Lettered Edge coins is an EF.



    http://old.stacksbowers.com/Au...ve/CatalogLibrary.aspx




    Thanks, WinLoseWin, for that pointer! There's a wonderful summary of the CLE along with those photos.



    Here are those images. The first is the 1833 O.116 CLE. The second is not a CLE but rather an 1836 O.109 proof, for comparison purposes.

    Lance.



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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Variety collectors are a very esoteric group!



    I like those edge views...concave mirror?
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    Variety collectors are a very esoteric group!



    I like those edge views...concave mirror?




    im guessing you didnt see the flashlight metal thingie threads. im gapping the word for the part.

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