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1955 Lincoln Shattered Die - Does this Qualify as a CUD?

WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
Very late die state with a severe displaced field die break which really looks more like a CUD but it is in the middle of Lincoln's head rather than along the edge. CUD or just a displaced field die break?

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  • kookoox10kookoox10 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
    That is an interior die break by definition. It's pretty common on the mid fifties Lincolns but your example is pretty LDS. Nice example.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To be considered a CUD, the rim must be involved.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    what they said.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, fairly common. Here are a couple more like yours.

    Lance.



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  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MWallace
    To be considered a CUD, the rim must be involved.


    Are you sure? I never saw this definition.....
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jcping
    Originally posted by: MWallace
    To be considered a CUD, the rim must be involved.


    Are you sure? I never saw this definition.....


    I agree, that is not correct. While most cuds do involve the rim, it is not the definition. An interior cud is called a design cud.

    -Paul

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While your coin is cool, these are quite common, especially so on Philly 1953, 1954, and most notably on 1955.

    Your coin has a die break on the shoulder as well.

    A lot of 1955 Lincolns are just a big mess.

    Cool though, thanks for showing it.

    It looks high grade too, 65ish.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Craniotomy variety.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jcping Originally posted by: MWallace To be considered a CUD, the rim must be involved. Are you sure? I never saw this definition..... I agree, that is not correct. While most cuds do involve the rim, it is not the definition. An interior cud is called a design cud. -Paul




    It IS the definition. I have collected error coins since the 1970's and it has always been an emphasis in the definition that the rim or edge MUST be involved. A so-called "Interior CUD" is called a Die Break.



    I looked the definition up in several books and they ALL said the same thing, i.e. that the rim/edge must be involved. Here is the definition in the book The Design CUD by Paul Marvin & Arnold Margolis. (1st Printing, 1979, page 8).



    "An abnormally raised area of metal, on the field or design of a numismatic product, involving the edge of the die and caused by a broken die."



    "This definition eliminates all die chips and die cracks that have not developed into broken dies. It narrows the field down to those involving the edge of the die. The determining factor or course, is the "abnormally raised area" in deciding if a cracked die had developed into a broken die as in the case of some of our "Retained Cuds".




    I can also provide other reference book definitions.



    Mike

  • Here's mine, 1960 D

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  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭✭
    Is it also the "poomans double die" last 5 doubled?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a nice example in good condition... worth retaining. Cheers, RickO
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
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