1917 Buffalo PDS Set - Guess the CAC coins

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MFH
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I submitted my 1917 MS 64 PDS Set of Buffalos to CAC.

I also threw in some AU 58's...but that's another
story !!

Can you guess which one(s) CAC ??

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1917 Philadelphia - MS 64

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1917 Denver - MS 64

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1917 San Francisco - MS 64

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Thanks for looking !!
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  • clarkbar04
    clarkbar04 Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I guess the philly and the denver.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • donzme
    donzme Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
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    I'll guess the San Francisco coin.
  • Ablinky
    Ablinky Posts: 628 ✭✭✭
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    I'll go with the Denver and San Francisco issues, something about the Philly seems off to me.

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  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    None.
  • AstroJoe
    AstroJoe Posts: 310 ✭✭✭
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    I agree with Ablinky. Denver and San Francisco. Too many marks on Phil.
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  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: donzme

    I'll guess the San Francisco coin.




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  • SeattleSlammer
    SeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I thought all three before I looked. lol
  • topstuf
    topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    S is the horniest.
  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    P and S stickered. The spots on the S-mint Indian could be a factor for CAC though.
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  • Jackthecat1
    Jackthecat1 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭
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    I think the San Francisco.
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  • halfhunter
    halfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Ablinky

    I'll go with the Denver and San Francisco issues, something about the Philly seems off to me.




    +1 on the D & S.



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  • steveben
    steveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    D and S
  • kookoox10
    kookoox10 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭
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    Spotting aside, that S mint sure has a hammered strike in comparison to its P and D brethren. So I'll guess the San Fran example.
  • The Federalist
    The Federalist Posts: 24 ✭
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    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Originally posted by: donzme

    I'll guess the San Francisco coin.




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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I love that 17S regardless of what CAC thought, so that's my vote, I'm on the fence on the D- mint coin.


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  • Connecticoin
    Connecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think all three should sticker - none look low end for the grade to me.
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  • crazyhounddog
    crazyhounddog Posts: 14,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll say all of them. I'm not a big fan of "fly specs", or spots, like on the 17-s but it will not hurt the grade. I believe they all made the cut, or should have. All very nice Buffs!!!!image
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  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The D and S coins.
  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The S Buff.... Cheers, RickO
  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    Not the P, probably the D, certainly the S (or at least it should be).

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  • barberkeys
    barberkeys Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    S for certain, maybe the P.
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  • grip
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    Originally posted by: kookoox10
    Spotting aside, that S mint sure has a hammered strike in comparison to its P and D brethren. So I'll guess the San Fran example.


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  • ad4400
    ad4400 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To this day I still do not fully understand the CAC sticker. If the sticker represents an accurate grade, I think the arguement can be made for all. If the sticker is meant to reflect being stong for the grade, reasonable people could find things to pick on about all three.
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  • Walkerfan
    Walkerfan Posts: 10,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    They all look of equal quality to me.



    I see no reason for any of them not to sticker.

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  • MFH
    MFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: ms70
    None.


    Two members got it completely wrong, by guessing "None".
    MS70 & Realone.

    Andy "Blinky" was the first one who guessed correctly.
    The Denver and the San Francisco issues passed with
    Green Stickers.

    My Phila issue that I submitted in an AU 58 holder, also
    passed. Can't understand why the 64 did not pass.

    Thanks for guessing - as my friend Vern Sebby says,
    "It's just a crap-shoot".... How true.




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  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: MFH



    Can't understand why the 64 did not pass.







    It could be as simple as CAC having more desire for solid D and S coin of that year. They might want a MS64 Philly coin to be higher end for the grade to assign a sticker....at least on this particular day.

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  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: roadrunner
    Originally posted by: MFH

    Can't understand why the 64 did not pass.



    It could be as simple as CAC having more desire for solid D and S coin of that year. They might want a MS64 Philly coin to be higher end for the grade to assign a sticker....at least on this particular day.


    I'm didn't like the large broad hit at the Buffalo's armpit. I'm guessing CAC didn't like it either.
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  • DIMEMAN
    DIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I got here late, but my guess was the S coin only.
  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    S only.
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  • topstuf
    topstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yikes! Just saw the Morgan Freeman specklies alll over the cheek on the S one.



    Changed my mind.



    Not gonna even guess. I mean, jeez, .....64?



    big deal.
  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: Shamika



    I'm didn't like the large broad hit at the Buffalo's armpit. I'm guessing CAC didn't like it either.




    I looked in that region and didn't see a hit of note anywhere on all 3 coins. Aren't the arm/leg pits hidden when the buffalo is straight up on all 4's? Do you mean the left front outer shoulder/upper leg?



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  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: roadrunner
    Originally posted by: Shamika

    I'm didn't like the large broad hit at the Buffalo's armpit. I'm guessing CAC didn't like it either.


    I looked in that region and didn't see a hit of note anywhere on all 3 coins. Aren't the arm/leg pits hidden when the buffalo is straight up on all 4's? Do you mean the left front outer shoulder/upper leg?



    On the 17-P, if you draw a straight line between the Buffalo's eye and the tip of his tail, just above the armpit you'll see what I mean. It almost looks like part of the design at first but if you compare it to the S and the D, you can't miss it.












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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well.. at least I got one right....image (that is why I did not guess more)... Cheers, RickO
  • roadrunner
    roadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    On the 17-P, if you draw a straight line between the Buffalo's eye and the tip of his tail, just above the armpit you'll see what I mean. It almost looks like part of the design at first but if you compare it to the S and the D, you can't miss it.





    Ok. It's fairly subtle imo as it sits under a series of shoulder creases and blends in pretty well. I wouldn't think that mark should be an issue except on 65/66 coins. Would much rather have that contact than the obverse spots on the 17-s. Spot-o-phobia runs pretty wild on the forum at times.

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  • joebb21
    joebb21 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    P and s gold stickered
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  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    Originally posted by: roadrunner
    On the 17-P, if you draw a straight line between the Buffalo's eye and the tip of his tail, just above the armpit you'll see what I mean. It almost looks like part of the design at first but if you compare it to the S and the D, you can't miss it.


    Ok. It's fairly subtle imo as it sits under a series of shoulder creases and blends in pretty well. I wouldn't think that mark should be an issue except on 65/66 coins.



    Indeed, if you had to accept a coin with such a hit, you couldn't ask for it to be in a better location and orientation. It looks like part of the design and only by comparing against the two other coins is it obvious.

    I think 64 is the correct grade. But I'm only proposing a possible reason why it didn't get stickered.










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  • Connecticoin
    Connecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm didn't like the large broad hit at the Buffalo's armpit. I'm guessing CAC didn't like it either.


    Wow, I thought that was hit was part of the design at first. While the hit is there, it does not seem distracting to me and would not make it low end IMO.
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  • AMRC
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    Don't forget to think about the skin of the coin. CAC is not just about grade, it is about originality as well.
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  • Connecticoin
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    Originally posted by: AMRC
    Don't forget to think about the skin of the coin. CAC is not just about grade, it is about originality as well.


    Agreed. The 17-P does not appear to be dipped and if it was, the luster does not appear to be impaired and it is getting a "second skin"
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  • roadrunner
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    Originally posted by: AMRC

    Don't forget to think about the skin of the coin. CAC is not just about grade, it is about originality as well.




    It usually is. But, CAC also stickers dipped out MS64/65 bust, seated, and gold coinage as long as the coin is choice on marks with decent eye appeal. One could call this accepting market realities for what are very market acceptable coins. Having original surfaces is not a must, though I'd figure the larger majority of stickered coins have orig surfaces.



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