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oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
I was doing my usual looking around and saw this good looking 3CN. Perhaps the labeling/holdering of this coin was finished up at closing time on a Friday...some time ago based on the solid gasket. CAC thought it was a nice one as well.



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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does CAC think it's nice as an MS66, which it isn't, or a PR66, which it is?
  • toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oops,
    Didn't notice the '84 is proof....at least appears so. Still a big price variation between the 2.
    I guess this is one of the reasons the say buy the coin, not the holder.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That sucks. image
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ooops. If the rear holds it should be a Cameo also IMO.



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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do a lookup on the previous and subsequent cert. numbers. Maybe a mechanical error switcheroo ?

    PCGS coin number for 1884 Proof 3CN is 3780, so no chance of transposing digits of the coin number when creating the label.

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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    buy the coin, not the holder
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: steveben
    buy the coin, not the holder


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    Even though I am a total fan of CAC, this casts some shade on them big time!
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just looked it up on CAC...



    Serial Number: 21815262

    Grading Service: PCGS

    Description: 1875 Three Cent Nickel MS66

    Status: image

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: steveben

    buy the coin, not the holder


    In this case the holder is worth more by the Price Guide.



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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313

    Originally posted by: steveben

    buy the coin, not the holder




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    Even though I am a total fan of CAC, this casts some shade on them big time!




    i tend to agree...it seems like this coin would have been a red sticker with a note about the date!



    now, it's pretty ambiguous. was the coin stickered...or the label?



    i believe the coin was examined and approved based on the grade. they just missed the mechanical error.
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    seems like cac would of not snickered the coin in question.

    it does not qualify as it is not a ms coin as the slab indicates , this is a joke or mix up somehow.

    does an image exist elsewhere of the coin?

    looks to be some photo shop play to me.



  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭✭✭
    well then someone find the real photo of the coin then



    instead of talking



  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the link;



    1875-3cN-PCGS-CAC-MS66
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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like an MS EDS from the larger pics. In my novice opine.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • tyler267tyler267 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭✭
    Very strange, on ebay, the slab pic is a 1884 while the closeup is a 1875.
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: tyler267
    Very strange, on ebay, the slab pic is a 1884 while the closeup is a 1875.

    Yes. It's like the ebay seller photo shopped the wrong coin into the ebay listing full slab images.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is fixed now on eBay. This means the seller is photoshopping 2 images together. A nice one of the slab and then a nice one of the coin and combine. Now we know how to take really nice full slab shots. Never thought of that myself.

    CAC is off the hook, which is nice to know!!
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Makes me wonder what other coins are "photoshopped" this way, out there. image
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: oih82w8
    Makes me wonder what other coins are "photoshopped" this way, out there. image


    It's the surefire way to eliminate slab glare while lighting up the coin.
  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gosh, I hope that reverse goes with that obverse now. image
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you guys find the coolest stuff
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    Is "mechanical error" the politically correct way to say "screwed up"?
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited to say: Wabbit2313 got it exactly right.

    Lance.
  • TheDukeKTheDukeK Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    All Cac did was look at the grade and the then check the coin to see if the grade looked good.
    It doesn't surprise me that they would overlook the date mismatch.
  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭


    Wabbit was correct ! This is what I believe happened.



    David Lawrence posted several slabbed coins on Ebay.

    One coin was this

    image



    Another coin was this

    image



    They photoshoped an image of the slabbed coin & inserted it on the

    front of the slab for a clear image.

    When they did this they mistakenly placed the wrong coin on the

    1875 slab.



    PCGS did not make a mistake. CAC did not make a mistake.

    It was not a mechanical error.

    It was a simple error while presenting it on Ebay.



    Can we put it to rest ???
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    R.I.P. Done, done and done. Cheers, RickO

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