Grade just posted on this cool error coin (DH-306 Middlesex, Flipover-D/S in Collar)

mercurydimeguy · May 6, 2016 2:04PM

Well, I waited nearly 3 months for the grade to post, waiting with beaded breath as I was hoping it would grade as Flipover-D/S in Collar, and straight grade, and it did...PCGS XF40. This piece was acquired by me from our very own Broadstruck (thanks!)

lordmarcovan · May 6, 2016 3:47PM

Congrats! Broadstruck is great in both exonumia and errors, and you covered both bases with this one!

Boosibri · May 6, 2016 4:04PM

Super cool

Broadstruck · May 6, 2016 8:45PM

mercurydimeguy, Your very welcome!

I'm glad to see they attributed the error as I saw it and graded it 5 points higher

The true-view really looks great showing all the remaining red

I have a few foreign errors I'd like to have slabbed, but not sure I have your level of patience to wait 3 months?

brg5658 · May 7, 2016 12:09AM

I'm not clear how PCGS determined it was a "flip over, double struck error". All kinds of chicanery was present at the time of the striking of Conder tokens, so not sure how they can definitively assign that description. The perfectly aligned 2nd strike sure does make it look more intentional than accidental to my eye.

That being said, this token (DH-306) is an extremely common token, struck in 1794 by Thomas Mynd (a toymaker from Birmingham), and engraved by 'Wyon' -- the exact Wyon of the talented family is not clear. Thomas Mynd married Matthew Boulton's sister Catherine in 1762, and that familial link to Boulton is likely what got Mynd tangentially involved in the striking of provincial tokens.

Given the common nature of the token, I suppose a struck example could have made it back in the coffers with unstruck planchets and gone through the presses a 2nd time with little if any notice by the minter. Clearly no one at the time cared all that much, as this one is well worn. An interesting piece of exonumia, but in a niche (error collectors) of a niche (Conder collectors) I'm not sure how much excitement this would garner in an open auction. It's a curiosity for sure.

Broadstruck · May 7, 2016 3:52AM

Originally posted by: brg5658

I'm not clear how PCGS determined it was a "flip over, double struck error". All kinds of chicanery was present at the time of the striking of Conder tokens, so not sure how they can definitively assign that description. The perfectly aligned 2nd strike sure does make it look more intentional than accidental to my eye.

That being said, this token (DH-306) is an extremely common token, struck in 1794 by Thomas Mynd (a toymaker from Birmingham), and engraved by 'Wyon' -- the exact Wyon of the talented family is not clear. Thomas Mynd married Matthew Boulton's sister Catherine in 1762, and that familial link to Boulton is likely what got Mynd tangentially involved in the striking of provincial tokens.

Given the common nature of the token, I suppose a struck example could have made it back in the coffers with unstruck planchets and gone through the presses a 2nd time with little if any notice by the minter. Clearly no one at the time cared all that much, as this one is well worn. An interesting piece of exonumia, but in a niche (error collectors) of a niche (Conder collectors) I'm not sure how much excitement this would garner in an open auction. It's a curiosity for sure.

brg5658 · May 7, 2016 6:43AM

Originally posted by: Broadstruck

Originally posted by: brg5658

I'm not clear how PCGS determined it was a "flip over, double struck error". All kinds of chicanery was present at the time of the striking of Conder tokens, so not sure how they can definitively assign that description. The perfectly aligned 2nd strike sure does make it look more intentional than accidental to my eye.

That being said, this token (DH-306) is an extremely common token, struck in 1794 by Thomas Mynd (a toymaker from Birmingham), and engraved by 'Wyon' -- the exact Wyon of the talented family is not clear. Thomas Mynd married Matthew Boulton's sister Catherine in 1762, and that familial link to Boulton is likely what got Mynd tangentially involved in the striking of provincial tokens.

Given the common nature of the token, I suppose a struck example could have made it back in the coffers with unstruck planchets and gone through the presses a 2nd time with little if any notice by the minter. Clearly no one at the time cared all that much, as this one is well worn. An interesting piece of exonumia, but in a niche (error collectors) of a niche (Conder collectors) I'm not sure how much excitement this would garner in an open auction. It's a curiosity for sure.

Hahaha! I was merely stating the obvious. I respect your opinion on this token Broadstruck, but when things like this come along it seems much of the history and background is "created" rather than known. So long as you (the seller) and mercurydimeguy (the buyer) were happy with the transaction, that's all that matters I suppose.

coinkat · May 7, 2016 8:27PM

Terrific coin...

And thanks for the public service announcement- Remember to check your cornflakes.

Grade just posted on this cool error coin (DH-306 Middlesex, Flipover-D/S in Collar)

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