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GRANDAM
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I have a Lincoln Civil War token that was struck this way. I can't see why this would not get a grade. My piece is a gold filled example that was probably struck for collectors after the 1864 election.
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Lance.
Cool! Wire rims.
Lance.
Good point. Same as the wire rims on some of the High Relief Saints. Both were caused by excess space between the die and the collar and extremely high striking pressure.
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I consider that it negatively impacts the eye appeal.
j/k
Get a file?
LOL
My PCGS 70 should arrive in a couple hours and I will see if there are fins on it.
j/k
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Those photos suck like mine.
They are my pictures, and I thought they were pretty decent. Oh well.
Maybe if you made the Moderator aware of you questions, he could bring them to the attention of the "powers that be", sort of an end-round play.
I am working on it,,,,,
Send Don a PM letting him know about this thread. I'm sure this issue has been discussed in the grading room.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
I'd like to know if this is the rule or the exception.
I looked at mine and it appears to have a raised metal fin in exactly the same spot as the jwitten photos.
8 of the ten I received were finned from the L to the B in Liberty. I kept one that wasn't, therefore the finned ones will be a hit.
The Centennial thread has dozens of people saying finning is quite common, so not to worry. The ones without fins, or messed up rims seem to be more difficult to find.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Those photos suck like mine.
They are my pictures, and I thought they were pretty decent. Oh well.
I really liked your pictures and it allowed me to really see what the fuss was about. It would be very difficult to cover that much depth of field on such a small coin and not have some areas out of focus.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
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What's the point?
Is this what coin collecting and TPG has become?
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Those photos suck like mine.
They are my pictures, and I thought they were pretty decent. Oh well.
I think the images are excellent. They show exactly the area of interest.
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Those photos suck like mine.
They are my pictures, and I thought they were pretty decent. Oh well.
I think the images are excellent. They show exactly the area of interest.
I agree. The pictures were obviously meant to show the finning, not the entire coin in clear focus, and they succeed at showing that finning. I found them educational since I didn't even take a close look at the ones I received to see if they had this finning or not.
I, for one, appreciated the pics, Jwitten.
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So in essence, we're asking PCGS to grade the quality control, manufacturing processes, and material handling of the U.S. Mint.
What's the point?
Is this what coin collecting and TPG has become?
That is exactly what they do for all moderns, determine how well the mint has done it's job.
These finned Mercs should have never been released. Black eye for the mint. Glad I didn't participate.
Submit them as mint errors.
Calling Fred Weinberg.
Fin hype and big $$
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
I'd call them "Finned Rim Obv.", and possibly put
'from 5:00 to 11:00', or whatever is appropriate.
Maybe 'Finned Wire Rim Obv.'
I haven't had any communication from PCGS about
these yet; I'm supposed to talk to David Hall today
about a different subject, and I'll ask him about these
Gold Merc. Finned Rims, if I do talk to him.
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.... Needless to say, or explain, the photos are great to me. Why ? Because they show the "error" or "mechanical" problem in the minting of the coin.
Be that said, I don't mean to spark so much "ire" or attention with words like "Your pictures suck like mine"... , but it works. Right ?
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
PCGS-70 As struck, with full strike.
NGC-70 A coin with no post-production imperfections at 5x magnification.
BTW those are the complete definition.
Although the dont always go by the written definition in my observation.
But sounds like to me that it is a widespread problem that will have to be ignored when grading.
So it shouldn't affect the MS 70 grade IMHO.
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Email David Hall and cc Don Willis and Mike Faraone. Their emails should be available on the PCGS Website.
The name is LEE!
I have, no answer yet.
don't hold your breath!
You could always just submit them and see what you get back
Imagine that.
What a novel idea.
And then, if you don't like what they think (i.e., their opinion), you can spend more time and effort and money sending them back in for second and third opinions, then ask CAC what they think, and if you don't like any of that, come back on here and quibble some more.
PCGS will be grading the production process, not a coin.
Have you tried that yet?
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Check it out.
Therefore, there is no way in my mind that a straight high grade is merited. Especially when compared to coins that do not exhibit the defect.
So, if I were running PCGS, I would simply "no grade" the finned pieces - or knock them down 5 points. This sends a strong message to our woefully inadequate US Mint and collectors will have to follow their lead.
We should expect excellence from the US Mint because they are charging a premium price for their carp.
JMHO
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I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Uh-oh....did GrandAm delete all his posts or was it "done for him"?
I don't know if I like this "delete posts " thing , when posts disappear its very confusing.
By definition, an "error" is supposed to be something done by mistake. In this case, since so many coins have this result, it is doubtful that it is a Mint error in the pure sense, but simply the Mint has lowered their standards. PCGS is grading these as they see them based if they are "fully as struck" and looking for defects if they find any, and I have no argument with the grade and their decision to slab them as well as they can under the circumstances.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Uh-oh....did GrandAm delete all his posts or was it "done for him"?
Another kind of "sucks" doesn't it ? I got all confused coming back here
By definition, an "error" is supposed to be something done by mistake. In this case, since so many coins have this result, it is doubtful that it is a Mint error in the pure sense, but simply the Mint has lowered their standards. PCGS is grading these as they see them based if they are "fully as struck" and looking for defects if they find any, and I have no argument with the grade and their decision to slab them as well as they can under the circumstances.
Explain that to the folks that submitted all those extra high relief GAE's that got rejected by PCGS and NGC.
The name is LEE!
Uh-oh....did GrandAm delete all his posts or was it "done for him"?
No, Bill started a thread about his Lincoln Civil War token