1823/2 quarter dollar "Master Photographic Set" developed
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Have you ever owned or currently own an 1823/2 quarter dollar? If your answer is yes, I would like to know. Why? For research purposes. I believe I have the most complete photographic database detailing the past and present whereabouts of 1823/2 quarters. But, there is much information that is not known.
To be honest, it has been a longtime passion of mine to also document and photograph all bust quarters by die marriage for well over 20 years traveling to shows, collectors homes and even photographing the images from the older auction sales like Henry Chapman, Elliott Woodward or B. Max Mehl.
Right now, I have three "Master research sets" of 1823/2 photographs housed in deluxe leather photo albums labeled Vol. 1 & Vol. 2. These will be used by professional researchers in the numismatic community to further our skill-sets when determining pedigrees.
The ability to open each album and page through and search any particular example in each book is a significant time saving benefit. Another benefit is that the size of the image (3.5 inches) where it makes identification and diagnostic marking much easier during plate matching. Each original photograph as been painstakingly been cropped, adjusted, aligned, and later enscribed with its known attributes from the advertised auction house with dates, lot number, and price realized when known.
These "Master sets" were designed for serious research purposes that will stand the test of time and are set up in a way that they will be adjustable so additional images can be added at a later date. The ability to also view the actual original image and note how the coin looked beforehand is noteworthy because it helps the researcher a little further to note its pattern of condition at the time.
So, let's move to Pedigrees! Yes, this can be a very important part when purchasing a truly desirable rare coin.
This is where I need more help. I will always be looking to add in the extra information that has been missing from the pedigree chain. Many dealer and collectors go unknown and get lost in the shuffle at times. If you ever owned an 1823/2 and it has not been documented then I have an interest in talking with you to further this important and ongoing project.
Please contact me (Rory Rea) by PM or via this forum and I will be glad to talk. I will be also be attending The Long Beach coin show where I will bring all three leather photo albums detailing the progress of 1823/2 and 1827/3/2 original quarter dollars.
My next project which is approaching its mid stages will be:
1796 B-1 and B-2 quarter dollar
1828 B-3 quarter dollar
1822 B-2 quarter dollar.
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To be honest, it has been a longtime passion of mine to also document and photograph all bust quarters by die marriage for well over 20 years traveling to shows, collectors homes and even photographing the images from the older auction sales like Henry Chapman, Elliott Woodward or B. Max Mehl.
Right now, I have three "Master research sets" of 1823/2 photographs housed in deluxe leather photo albums labeled Vol. 1 & Vol. 2. These will be used by professional researchers in the numismatic community to further our skill-sets when determining pedigrees.
The ability to open each album and page through and search any particular example in each book is a significant time saving benefit. Another benefit is that the size of the image (3.5 inches) where it makes identification and diagnostic marking much easier during plate matching. Each original photograph as been painstakingly been cropped, adjusted, aligned, and later enscribed with its known attributes from the advertised auction house with dates, lot number, and price realized when known.
These "Master sets" were designed for serious research purposes that will stand the test of time and are set up in a way that they will be adjustable so additional images can be added at a later date. The ability to also view the actual original image and note how the coin looked beforehand is noteworthy because it helps the researcher a little further to note its pattern of condition at the time.
So, let's move to Pedigrees! Yes, this can be a very important part when purchasing a truly desirable rare coin.
This is where I need more help. I will always be looking to add in the extra information that has been missing from the pedigree chain. Many dealer and collectors go unknown and get lost in the shuffle at times. If you ever owned an 1823/2 and it has not been documented then I have an interest in talking with you to further this important and ongoing project.
Please contact me (Rory Rea) by PM or via this forum and I will be glad to talk. I will be also be attending The Long Beach coin show where I will bring all three leather photo albums detailing the progress of 1823/2 and 1827/3/2 original quarter dollars.
My next project which is approaching its mid stages will be:
1796 B-1 and B-2 quarter dollar
1828 B-3 quarter dollar
1822 B-2 quarter dollar.
Sent from my iPhone
Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
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I think 1BustCollector has all of the pedigree info, if you don't, please PM me.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
If you are a dealer or collector and can contribute, please think about helping. This is a fantastic project of pedigree history!
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
I don't have a copy of your book, but Breen's Encyclopedia said there were about 21-24 known specimens of the 1823/2 quarter.
Do you have an updated estimate of this?
What percentage of the images in your collection have you been able to classify into your list of unique specimens?
I've collected images and tried to extend pedigrees for a few coins,
though at a much less serious level.
(I just collected images from the web).
I did this for the 1802 half dime (top 9 specimens),
and the 1795 9 leaves Eagle (top 16+ specimens).
I put the pedigrees into Excel files which can be sorted by date or by specimen,
and I made a "pedigree price graph" with a separate line for each specimen.
For example:
https://forums.collectors.com/...tid=26&threadid=949678
https://forums.collectors.com/...tid=26&threadid=937249
Your analysis is an interesting contribution. I had ran some old graphs years ago but it hasn't been updated fully.
Our book (Early Quarter Dollars of The United States Mint) has detailed 30 known separate examples "photographically" back in 2011.
These examples do accompany prices realized, which in the end run one can extract tabular information.
It is the end desire to continue moving forward to fill in the hard to reach pedigree blanks, where possible, from any past dealer or collector who may have remained silent, slipped through the cracks or private treaty.
These are very important rare coins which deserve more transparent light and continued research because there are adjustments that need to be updated.
Note: We all know plate matching is to be used as a tool because sometimes plates are re-used. But, just as plates get reused so can descriptives. I have seen descriptive markers very close to or almost common to other examples.
Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...