Old Green holder vs. New holder with a +

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · April 2, 2016 1:30PM

At auction would you pay more for a coin in an old green label holder or the same coin in a new holder with a plus on it ? I know there are many possibilities such as CAC and if you think it could upgrade again but let's make it simple :

OLD Green Holder. Vs. New Holder with a plus

Stewart

CommemKing · April 2, 2016 1:32PM

Plus for me.

brg5658 · April 2, 2016 1:32PM

I'd pay what the coin is worth, not what the plastic + label are supposedly worth.

lkeigwin · April 2, 2016 1:36PM

OGH. Plusses could take a sharp dive if PCGS decides to award them more often.

Plus (pardon the pun), the stable coin in the OGH matters.

Lance.

MrEureka · April 2, 2016 1:38PM

Assuming that the coins are identical, I'd probably pay more for the "+", strictly based on resale value.

keyman64 · April 2, 2016 1:39PM

Depends on the coin. I'm in the buy the coin, not the holder camp.

BryceM · April 2, 2016 1:39PM

Assuming I'm playing money games and not buying because I love the coin?

An OGH represents the potential of an upgrade, but many have been picked over and some are truly dogs. The coin with the + is already graded higher. It all depends on the coin, of course, but + coins are usually easier to sell at + prices.

jcping · April 2, 2016 1:49PM

Assuming similiar quality, same price and both are with a CAC green bean, I will take the one with "+"

For Red copper, I will go for OGH.

morgandollar1878 · April 2, 2016 2:31PM

Buy the coin not the holder for me.

Justacommeman · April 2, 2016 2:36PM

The question posed was for the same coin.

I'd go with OGH

mark

mozin · April 2, 2016 4:20PM

No question I would go for the plus coin. The old holders never did interest me, and far too often the plastic is scratched.

jhdfla · April 2, 2016 5:06PM

OGH. Stability, especially for copper. Odds are good it will remain the same over time.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · April 2, 2016 5:32PM

...same coin...give me the + with a fresh TrueView

CoinRaritiesOnline · April 3, 2016 12:07AM

Copper is a no brainer - give me the OGH every time. All you need to do is go view the Indian and Lincoln Cents at any major auction in RD holders to see how many are spotted or RB to know how fleeting some of this more recently slabbed color is. A RD in an OGH has demonstrated stability for 20 years or so and is much more likely to be stable than any random newly holdered piece.

roadrunner · April 3, 2016 12:13AM

Originally posted by: Justacommeman

The question posed was for the same coin.

I'd go with OGH

mark

This. Now you own a PQ coin, in proven stable condition, with potential upside. When I see + signs on a lot of coins, it's more because of better luster or eye appeal. The + coins often have the same number of marks as an average for the grade specimen.

ebaybuyer · April 3, 2016 1:20AM

when I buy a coin I rarely consider what the holder tells me, I consider what my eyes tell me

roadrunner · April 3, 2016 2:04AM

Originally posted by: ebaybuyer

when I buy a coin I rarely consider what the holder tells me, I consider what my eyes tell me

The coin tells us the most. The holder can give some important information as well. Many don't even know that with NGC coins you can tell if they were part of a large submission...which can make a difference. I'm always more leery of coins that were recently graded that aren't directly linked to a fresh source. What was the reason? Upgrade attempt? A QT or potential problem coin that finally hit on the 8th try?

WildIdea · April 3, 2016 2:05AM

OGH all day long and night long!
Say we're looking at a coin in a ogh in 65 that everybody knows would plus or even get a grade higher. I'd likely just pay the extra premium of today's value standards to have the coin in an old holder graded at yesterday's grade levels just for the basic classy lineage of the coin hobby. Pluses seem to work for rows of Morgans in 64 or spectacular seated halves where price jumps in grades are 3-5k. I'm not buying 60 dollar coins or 10-20k coins I'm someplace in the middle of that and don't seem to need the plus to negotiate a price we can both live with.

Most of my collection is in older PCGS NGC holders that at a min predate the prongs. My play someday is that they will be valued more for that then any plus could eek out of them. It will likely prove they are fresh and stable to the market 20 some years from now. The quality of the coins will command their price point and the older holders will just make them cooler.

I'm putting back exquisite foreign coins in secure holders now, as I see them as the new no line fatties of tomorrow. But the coin has to be killer.

I see it all the time. Coins that have it all, being offered at moon money getting sold because they are just dripping in desirability. These coins don't need to be plussed to push them in price. So I'm just saving lunch money till I have a wad then pouncing on something folks pass on cause there's no room to flip it overnight to support their show bills or lines of credit. In the chest it goes to soak in the freshening pot to reemerge someday for the big sale, or so it's called. Maybe, and I'll stay open minded, a few might need to be regraded at whatever is the fad at the time, but I'm not seeing the point of trying to upgrade everything all the time.

Cameonut · April 3, 2016 2:44AM

Originally posted by: jhdfla

OGH. Stability, especially for copper. Odds are good it will remain the same over time.

ricko · April 3, 2016 3:01AM

Since I do not sell coins, it makes no difference to me.... if I like the coin, I buy it.

Cheers, RickO

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · April 3, 2016 8:32AM

So from the responses posted it is better to keep my copper coins in old green holders rather than

Submit them for a plus if I plan to auction them. However when I have seen plus coins in dealers showcases

they are priced at new higher levels. The submittal level at coin shows is very high for dealers and collectors trying to play the

Plus grading game. Perhaps it is the Set Registry that drives plus grading ?

I did see a 1955/55 DDO Lincoln cent in an Old Green Holder as MS 64 red in the Stacks/Bowers auction sell

For $22,000. I also saw a 1914 D Lincoln cent in a new MS 65 +Red holder sell for only $ 15,000

Stewart

Old Green holder vs. New holder with a +

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