I think by asking for it, or claiming the status, that automatically DQ's you from receiving the 'You Suck' award. It has to be awarded! I could be wrong, but I do believe you quite possibly DQ'ed yourself, hate tp be the bearer.... can someone with more knowledge about it than I either confirm or deny it, please...
I gotta agree with this...those who seek recognition rarely deserve it.
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Did you even read the auction? Says "1822 Capped Bust Type (key date)"
That was not a typo and it was not the seller not realizing what an 1822 is.
This was an AUCTION not a buy it now purchase.
My max bid was 200. I won it for $27. I thought it could be an 1822 but was not sure. I would not have wasted my time on it if I knew it wasn't.
Now that it's established that it isn't, the seller has agreed to refund the money if I send it back.
SNAD not necessary. Holier-than-thou condescension from hypocritical posters who do not even take the time to understand the situation they are casting judgement on not necessary either.
That's one of eBay's biggest problems - bidders who bid on an item hoping it is something that it is not.
That's a joke right? The auction title clearly states, "1822 Capped Bust Dime". How is expecting to receive an 1822 Capped Bust Dime, "hoping it is something that it is not"?
The OP placing SNAD in the thread title might have twisted some the wrong way and even that wouldn't have been necessary had the seller stated they accept returns.
OP could have easily asked the seller a clarifying question about the coin/date. Could have been a typo, could have been purposeful. "2" and "3" are pretty near each other....and, seller could have honestly thought it was "2" if not that clear and not really a coin person.
OP didn't do so.
OP didn't want to risk "alerting" the seller to any potential value.
OP clearly was hoping to score a rip or else use eBay's system to get his money back. There was nothing the OP did to get ahead of the situation.
This was a straight auction for a coin called out as a "Key Date" in title. So now eBay buyers are responsible for letting sellers know how much their "Key Date" might be worth? Some people have other things to do like jobs, kids, health issues and life in general rather than messaging sellers notifying/questioning them. Heaven forbid someone actually gets what is described in an open auction.
This is a ridiculous thread. Crazy actaully that so many pile on the OP and others wonder why this damn forum is dying?
I could NOT care less about straight auction or not.
The OP gambled. He basically said so. Pictures were crappy. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
He didn't contact the seller to clarify anything. People have shown, with their knowledge, why it is seriously impossible for it to be a '22, even with those bad photos.
A question could have been asked, but wasn't.
OP comes on here to brag and get a "you suck award" (I, personally think that is stupid anyway....no offense to Madmarty ), and comes right out of the gate saying "it better be 1822 or else I will SNAD the seller".
Why? Why bluster like that? Heck, get it, if it isn't the date listed, why not just contact the seller and request a refund? Why go SNAD at the outset? Doesn't matter what the "max bid" was....it was won for $27.
If you want to gamble, takes the lumps with the wins. If the seller seriously was deceptive, then ask for a return, if not, THEN go SNAD, imho.
The tone in the OP, and the follow-ups just has not been a good one.....not a buyer I would want to deal with, and I try my best not to have mistakes when I sell.
normally reserved for a listing that is purposely misrepresented by the seller, not something so worn that the seller simply guessed at what it was, and the buyer "didn't think" to ask for clarification. with those pictures i wouldn't expect the seller could read the date with certainty. *** can also be used as a bargaining chip when the listing clearly states no returns, especially if you are a buyer that publicly announces that he has no integrity
regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
It seems pretty straightforward to me. You either get a 1822 and a 1841 dime, or you get your money back.
(2) Dimes: 1822 Capped Bust Type (Key Date), 1841 Liberty Seated (Plug)Con. POOR
Returns: Seller does not offer returns. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you received an item that is not as described in the listing.
I think the seller has the laugh on you .. poor condition coin .. with gouges ..outer part of coin, worn / missing..... with purposely poor photos Look at his other listings... he sets prices near retail price, as starting points ..
if i was gonna gamble on that lot id be willing to take the you suck award or be out a lousy $27 as a cheap gambling deterrent, but when you are gambling with no risk of loss, you will likely never learn anything
regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
I dont know about you ebaybuyer, but if I purchase an item advertised as an 1822 dime, and its an 1832 dime...if the seller refuses an a refund, then I will open a SNAD claim. If that makes me a bad person, then I am the worst.
You would be taking the correct position in my opinion.There's too many ebay sellers these days that cross the fine line between totally accurate description and misrepresentation with purpose.
For $27 not worth the buyer doing a SNAD given the seller refuses to refund money on the misrepresented item they sent you? I disagree.
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If the date is questionable to me, the one who has the coin in hand, who can inspect it at all angles, I would not expect someone else to be a able to identify the date with an image...unless there are specific die characteristics which "could" make identification possible. Perhaps using "possible 1822" Dime in the listing would reduce the possibility of a SNAD?
I would agree that SNAD could/should be used IF the coin in question was not Significantly Not As Described.
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Personally I think it's a waste of both OP's time (bidding something with horrible images and then a snad claim when it's not the rip he hoped for) and the seller's time (listing two low end pieces like this in the first place, plus having to deal with a sport bidder who expects a no risk free approval deal).
Hell . . . I need a drink after reading all of this ! ! !
HH
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I think by asking for it, or claiming the status, that automatically DQ's you from receiving the 'You Suck' award. It has to be awarded! I could be wrong, but I do believe you quite possibly DQ'ed yourself, hate tp be the bearer.... can someone with more knowledge about it than I either confirm or deny it, please?
edited...not being a series I'm familiar with, care to clue me in.....either out here, or PM, if you want others guessing?? And how the hell could you tell anything with those awesome images???
Ahh the heck with it.
Everybody SUCKS!
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Looks like a scratched 1832 and the seated is only plugged on the obverse.
i agree
I think by asking for it, or claiming the status, that automatically DQ's you from receiving the 'You Suck' award. It has to be awarded! I could be wrong, but I do believe you quite possibly DQ'ed yourself, hate tp be the bearer.... can someone with more knowledge about it than I either confirm or deny it, please...
I gotta agree with this...those who seek recognition rarely deserve it.
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That was not a typo and it was not the seller not realizing what an 1822 is.
This was an AUCTION not a buy it now purchase.
My max bid was 200. I won it for $27. I thought it could be an 1822 but was not sure. I would not have wasted my time on it if I knew it wasn't.
Now that it's established that it isn't, the seller has agreed to refund the money if I send it back.
SNAD not necessary. Holier-than-thou condescension from hypocritical posters who do not even take the time to understand the situation they are casting judgement on not necessary either.
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``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
That's one of eBay's biggest problems - bidders who bid on an item hoping it is something that it is not.
That's a joke right? The auction title clearly states, "1822 Capped Bust Dime". How is expecting to receive an 1822 Capped Bust Dime, "hoping it is something that it is not"?
The OP placing SNAD in the thread title might have twisted some the wrong way and even that wouldn't have been necessary had the seller stated they accept returns.
OP could have easily asked the seller a clarifying question about the coin/date. Could have been a typo, could have been purposeful. "2" and "3" are pretty near each other....and, seller could have honestly thought it was "2" if not that clear and not really a coin person.
OP didn't do so.
OP didn't want to risk "alerting" the seller to any potential value.
OP clearly was hoping to score a rip or else use eBay's system to get his money back. There was nothing the OP did to get ahead of the situation.
This was a straight auction for a coin called out as a "Key Date" in title. So now eBay buyers are responsible for letting sellers know how much their "Key Date" might be worth? Some people have other things to do like jobs, kids, health issues and life in general rather than messaging sellers notifying/questioning them. Heaven forbid someone actually gets what is described in an open auction.
This is a ridiculous thread. Crazy actaully that so many pile on the OP and others wonder why this damn forum is dying?
I could NOT care less about straight auction or not.
The OP gambled. He basically said so. Pictures were crappy. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
He didn't contact the seller to clarify anything. People have shown, with their knowledge, why it is seriously impossible for it to be a '22, even with those bad photos.
A question could have been asked, but wasn't.
OP comes on here to brag and get a "you suck award" (I, personally think that is stupid anyway....no offense to Madmarty
Why? Why bluster like that? Heck, get it, if it isn't the date listed, why not just contact the seller and request a refund? Why go SNAD at the outset? Doesn't matter what the "max bid" was....it was won for $27.
If you want to gamble, takes the lumps with the wins. If the seller seriously was deceptive, then ask for a return, if not, THEN go SNAD, imho.
The tone in the OP, and the follow-ups just has not been a good one.....not a buyer I would want to deal with, and I try my best not to have mistakes when I sell.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
This looks to be the cheaper 1832 scarface variety, grandpa had bad eyesight.
I'm not familiar with the 1832 scarface fariety.
normally reserved for a listing that is purposely misrepresented by the seller, not something so worn that the seller simply guessed at what it was, and the buyer "didn't think" to ask for clarification. with those pictures i wouldn't expect the seller could read the date with certainty. *** can also be used as a bargaining chip when the listing clearly states no returns, especially if you are a buyer that publicly announces that he has no integrity
You either get a 1822 and a 1841 dime, or you get your money back.
(2) Dimes: 1822 Capped Bust Type (Key Date), 1841 Liberty Seated (Plug)Con. POOR
Returns: Seller does not offer returns. You are covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee if you received an item that is not as described in the listing.
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I think the seller has the laugh on you .. poor condition coin .. with gouges ..outer part of coin, worn / missing..... with purposely poor photos
Look at his other listings... he sets prices near retail price, as starting points ..
whats your ebay handle ? just in case anyone wants to offer you a "youre blocked" award
Thank you ebaybuyer.! That was the funniest thing that I have heard all day!
You would be taking the correct position in my opinion.There's too many ebay sellers these days that cross the fine line between totally accurate description and misrepresentation with purpose.
For $27 not worth the buyer doing a SNAD given the seller refuses to refund money on the misrepresented item they sent you? I disagree.
If a picture wasn't going very well I'd put a puppy dog in it, always a mongrel, you know, never one of the full bred puppies. And then I'd put a bandage on its foot... I liked it when I did it, but now I'm sick of it.
Norman Rockwell
I would agree that SNAD could/should be used IF the coin in question was not Significantly Not As Described.
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This thread just might live on longer.....after the OP returns the coin, and the seller responds with Where's my 1822? This is an 1832 you returned!.
The seller apparently knew that the 1822 was a key date, and if a real 1822, worth a lot more than $27.
This thread just might live on longer.....after the OP returns the coin, and the seller responds with Where's my 1822? This is an 1832 you returned!.
Sad, but funny at the same time, given some of the things that have popped up around here
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
What is a SNAD?
Seller Needs A Drink
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What is a SNAD?
Seller Needs A Drink
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It is too difficult to tell from the photos.
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no, it is not too difficult. It is not 1822. Zero question
Maybe to an expert like you, sir, but your average coin collecting Joe simply ain't gonna know!
What is a SNAD?
SNAD = Significantly Not As Described.
What is a SNAD?
Seller Needs A Drink
Hell . . . I need a drink after reading all of this ! ! !
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The seller apparently knew that the 1822 was a key date, and if a real 1822, worth a lot more than $27.
This thread just might live on longer.....after the OP returns the coin, and the seller responds with Where's my 1822? This is an 1832 you returned!.
What is a SNAD?
Seller Needs A Drink
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I think by asking for it, or claiming the status, that automatically DQ's you from receiving the 'You Suck' award. It has to be awarded! I could be wrong, but I do believe you quite possibly DQ'ed yourself, hate tp be the bearer.... can someone with more knowledge about it than I either confirm or deny it, please?
edited...not being a series I'm familiar with, care to clue me in.....either out here, or PM, if you want others guessing?? And how the hell could you tell anything with those awesome images???
Ahh the heck with it.
Everybody SUCKS!
Enjoy your awards..........
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