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Tyrock · January 8, 2016 12:06PM

What would you say is the typical experience with crossing NGC and ANACS coins to PCGS? Do they usually cross? What would you say is a typical crossover rate? I've had some good results and I've had some DNC coins too. If they don't cross it can be an expensive experience.

TopographicOceans · January 8, 2016 12:10PM

I probably get less than 50%.

Part of it may be psychological. By not crossing the coin at the same grade, implies that PCGS is stricter or better than NGC or ANACS.

On the other hand, that is probably true.

robec · January 8, 2016 12:17PM

I've had substantially better luck cracking out than crossing.

roadrunner · January 8, 2016 12:27PM

I'm 0% crossing gem NGC bust/barber/seated type coins....0 for 36 over a 10-12 year period. Half or more of those coins later stickered...or even upgraded after I sold them.

1 for 1 crossing ANACs (MS65 Red 1867 2c piece).

3 for 3 on upgrade/regrade attempts for PCGS old holder gem seated halves (65 to 66).

There's nothing psychological about it. My crack-out and resubmit rate is far better. Some of the better NGC coins that I sold without ever trying to cross them or crack them did end up in higher grade PCGS holders. I never tried to cross my NGC 1890 PF 68 half because I felt it was impossible as technically I felt the coin was a strict 67+. It's now in a PCGS PF 68 CAM holder....pop 2 for type. Never say never.

Typical cross over rates vary by grade, denomination, metal, and which century/era. It's very, very hard to cross MS/PF 66-68 19th century NGC type coins. I'd say the rate is in the 5-15% range. If you're looking at common date MS65 Morgan dollars, the cross rate could be 50-65%. On MS65 $10/$20 Liberty gold it might be only 10-20%. The best coins are already crossed....leaving lower % on what remains. Try crossing NGC MS67 Lincolns or NGC MS65 bust halves...probably under 20-25% on those.

NGC crosses less than 50% of PCGS coins as well. Does that mean they are "tougher" than PCGS?

Goldbully · January 8, 2016 12:38PM

Originally posted by: robec

I've had substantially better luck cracking out than crossing.

lkeigwin · January 8, 2016 12:52PM

I usually cross at any grade and if it's worth it, get it regraded later for a better shake.

If a problem-free grade is a sure thing then I crack it.

PCGS doesn't play it conservatively if they can see the raw coin.

Lance.

Bochiman · January 8, 2016 1:15PM

Is it a top pop or high value?

If so, likely to be more conservative if there is any question viewing it through the plastic.

Along with that, take into account if there is anything that stands out (ie....different toning, too much frost, hairlines, etc). Sure, might have been a period in time when certain things went through and got graded, but times are different now.

oih82w8 · January 8, 2016 10:08PM

I have had good success with old white ANACS/ANA and the blue ones; only two DNC at the present grade (and they never left the building, went to the back of the line for an "any" grade...still waiting on those two). NGC usually comes back a grade or two lower at the any grade and a few came back at the previous. I only tried one ICG and it came back at the same grade.

I am very leery about cracking 'em out.

Rampage · January 8, 2016 10:52PM

I've only had one coin not cross out of about 15 or so coins. Not a service I use often.

ricko · January 9, 2016 6:41AM

Looking at the history over these many years, and experience... I have come to the

conclusion that results are far better (cross, upgrade) when the coin is submitted raw.

Cheers, RickO

mannie gray · January 9, 2016 7:32AM

It all depends on the coin.

And I agree with RickO, my results have been better when submitting raw.

I well remember the old days when the sound of splitting plastic was louder than the conversational buzz at major shows......

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