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Is this typical for an XF40 grade WLH?

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doesn't look like a 40 based on those pics, I definitely would pass on that one. That one looks like it had an old wipe or a soap and water wash. Here's a pic of the 16-D in my collection; it is a 40 with the look I like:



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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks generously graded to me but I think the answer to your question is "yes."

    Tom

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link doesn't work.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the obverse does not look like a 40 to me. i think maybe it was cleaned?
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ElmerFusterpuck
    Doesn't look like a 40 based on those pics, I definitely would pass on that one. That one looks like it had an old wipe or a soap and water wash. Here's a link to my early Walker set, the 16-D is a 40 with the look I like:

    Early Walkers

    Elmer--I agree that it looks like a soap and water wash, which isn't the worst thing in the world. Your link doesn't work. Oh wait...now that's a 40!

    Tom

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My opinion is that the images are overexposed and make it quite tough to actually tell what level of detail is present.
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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Google can be picky, put in a pic of my XF-40 16-D
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My opinion is that the images are overexposed and make it quite tough to actually tell what level of detail is present.


    That could be very possible.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, it may be the photo or something else; there are XF40 attributes present,
    like the eagle neck feathers, but other areas look low VF at best.


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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TomB

    My opinion is that the images are overexposed and make it quite tough to actually tell what level of detail is present.




    Hard to tell if the coin is really that blah from the pics.



    16-D in 30 and 35.



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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think the photos in the listing did that coin any favors.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    He probably suffers from the same coin photography skills as I do.

    His 64 picture doesn't look that great either

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    About thirty years of change in the same grade in my opinion.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some PCGS graded xf40 Walkers.



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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seems the later the date, the more details needed to get an XF grade.

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More details were added to the master dies as the series progressed also.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TomB

    My opinion is that the images are overexposed and make it quite tough to actually tell what level of detail is present.




    My thoughts exactly!

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ajaan

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LindeDad

    About thirty years of change in the same grade in my opinion.






    I hear you. Walkers I'd have graded Fine back then, appear to be XF's today. This one looks F-VF to me.

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Too many weird grades for me.
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clearly not XF. I'd grade it VF 20 at best.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say that one is overgraded....more likely a 30.... Cheers, RickO
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    doesn't look like a 40 to me, but, hey



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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BAJJERFAN
    Some PCGS graded xf40 Walkers.

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    except for the '17 D obv, what a waste of plastic
    Frank

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: roadrunner

    Originally posted by: LindeDad

    About thirty years of change in the same grade in my opinion.






    I hear you. Walkers I'd have graded Fine back then, appear to be XF's today. This one looks F-VF to me.





    If this is a fine, do you have a pic of what you would grade an au55?



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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Treashunt

    Originally posted by: BAJJERFAN

    Some PCGS graded xf40 Walkers.



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    except for the '17 D obv, what a waste of plastic





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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this is a fine, do you have a pic of what you would grade an au55?









    Not very difficult. Find a coin with approx 50-75% field luster, I'd call that a 55. It's when these coins have almost no remaining luster, and centers appearing flat, that they become more difficult. Luster makes it easy to confirm higher circ grades. From what I've seen more luster is required on an AU55 20th century silver coin vs. a 19th century one....sometimes it's a huge difference.



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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In my mind it would he helpful to have considerable drapery and eagle feather detail on an XF WLH. A seated half would rarely get an XF40 grade if the centers were flat and half of the eagle's feathers were missing. More weakly struck seated and bust halves usually get penalized and net graded from XF40 to VF35 (or XF45 to XF40). It would appear than early WLH's get no such deduction.
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  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    Really like that WLH Elmer
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    looks more vf35-ish to me
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