1913-D Type 1 Buffalo DDR possible discovery

stash · December 4, 2015 10:05AM

I was going through the error sites trying to match something up with the same doubling .
Wexler, 1913 DDR-003 is pretty close to whats going on with the motto on this one .
I know there some buffalo collectors around here .
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keyman64 · December 4, 2015 10:10AM

I don't think it is WDDR-003.

stash · December 4, 2015 10:13AM

Originally posted by: keyman64
I don't think it is WDDR-003.

Its not, that ones from philly . But the doubling on the motto looks the same as the one I posted, or pretty close ...

keyman64 · December 4, 2015 12:28PM

Originally posted by: stash

Originally posted by: keyman64

I don't think it is WDDR-003.

Its not, that ones from philly . But the doubling on the motto looks the same as the one I posted, or pretty close ...

Oops, sorry. I clearly did not pay close enough attention.

At least I bumped the thread for ya.

Not my series of expertise but it does look cool.

koynekwest · December 4, 2015 2:35PM

I think you have a winner. Send it to James Wiles at CONECA so you can get credit for the discovery. PM me if you want more info. It also is so similar (identical???) to the Philly Mint coin it looks like it might be the product of a working hub.

jtlee321 · December 4, 2015 7:44PM

@Koynekwest, Stash posted this over here on my behalf. I had started a thread over on Cointalk. I've had a few people over there say it was MD and a couple say it was the real deal. I guess a lot like how the 1919 DDO Mercury Dime went. I had found the 4th example of that variety and it has been the only example to be shown as a Stage B. I sent it to James Wiles to study and photograph.

I will contact him regarding this Buffalo. If there is anyone else you would recommend, I would appreciate the heads up.

stash · December 4, 2015 8:11PM

Originally posted by: koynekwest
I think you have a winner. Send it to James Wiles at CONECA so you can get credit for the discovery. PM me if you want more info. It also is so similar (identical???) to the Philly Mint coin it looks like it might be the product of a working hub.

Thank you for the link and the owner of the coin is here now .
Thanks again ...

stash · December 4, 2015 8:39PM

Originally posted by: jtlee321
@Koynekwest, Stash posted this over here on my behalf. I had started a thread over on Cointalk. I've had a few people over there say it was MD and a couple say it was the real deal. I guess a lot like how the 1919 DDO Mercury Dime went. I had found the 4th example of that variety and it has been the only example to be shown as a Stage B. I sent it to James Wiles to study and photograph.

I will contact him regarding this Buffalo. If there is anyone else you would recommend, I would appreciate the heads up.

Did I win the " You Suck Award "

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CaptHenway · December 4, 2015 10:09PM

Sure looks like a doubled die to me. Congrats!

TD

stash · December 4, 2015 10:30PM

Originally posted by: CaptHenway
Sure looks like a doubled die to me. Congrats!
TD

I think hes taking new images, thanks to koynekwest ..

winky · December 4, 2015 10:38PM

Yes CONECA is the place to send it to. James Wiles is close to Dallas, Tx.

sparky64 · December 5, 2015 1:42AM

I wish you luck.

Congrats on the sharp eye.

Was confused as to who's coin this is and then why this thread was started by someone else, etc...but I guess it doesn't matter.

ricko · December 5, 2015 2:22AM

Well now I have to get out my Buff collection and check for this one.... oh well, I never

complain about looking at coins....

Cheers, RickO

TPRC · December 5, 2015 4:27AM

Am I the only one who is not seeing this as a ddo? Best of luck, and the experts have opined, but I still don't see it.

jtlee321 · December 5, 2015 6:23AM

Thanks everyone, especially Stash. I was a bit busy earlier today, but I will try to get some more images and do a comparison to the DDR-002 listed on Varietyvista.com

TPRC, it's a DDR not a DDO

CuKevin · December 5, 2015 6:48AM

Originally posted by: TPRC
Am I the only one who is not seeing this as a ddo? Best of luck, and the experts have opined, but I still don't see it.

You probably aren't seeing a DDO because it's a DDR.

crazyhounddog · December 5, 2015 7:00AM

I don't wanna be a party wrecker but I think it's machine doubling. The doubling is seen right to left just like it says in the description of machine doubling. This also looks to be an over extended die this Buff was struck with so, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned. If Ron "koynekwest" thinks it's one then maybe it is. I'm just not convinced. I wish you all the luck in the world with this one.

jtlee321 · December 5, 2015 9:35AM

I have the comparisons finished. Here they are in the order they appear over at varietyvista.com. My images are the color ones and the reference images are black and white.

My images: 1913-D Type 1 Buffalo Nickel

Reference images: 1913 Type 1 Buffalo Nickel DDR-002, 2-R-IV+VIII

"ES" of STATES

"OF"

"AM" of AMERICA

"ER" of AMERICA

"E" of E PLURIBUS

"PLURIB" of PLURIBUS

"RIBUS" of PLURIBUS

"UN" of UNUM

"UM" of UNUM

"FIVE CENTS"

"1913"

I think the similarities between my example and the known 1913 DDR-002 is uncanny.

Rick had made a statement on cointalk that he thought that this may be the result of a working hub. After making comparison's myself, I think he is correct.

stash · December 5, 2015 9:40AM

Send those images to Mr. Wiles

jtlee321 · December 5, 2015 10:06AM

I have. Just a moment ago.

stash · December 5, 2015 10:13AM

Originally posted by: jtlee321
I have. Just a moment ago.

Good luck and keep us informed ....

koynekwest · December 5, 2015 1:19PM

Originally posted by: crazyhounddog

I don't wanna be a party wrecker but I think it's machine doubling. The doubling is seen right to left just like it says in the description of machine doubling. This also looks to be an over extended die this Buff was struck with so, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned. If Ron "koynekwest" thinks it's one then maybe it is. I'm just not convinced. I wish you all the luck in the world with this one.

The "E" and "PLU" are consistent with a true doubled die as they are raised and fully formed. This is also one of the many Class IV doubled dies in the series where only a small (in this case VERY small) part of the design shows the doubling and the most common place for this partial doubling is the "interior" portion of the motto. My opinion only, of course. Dr Wiles must see the coin to properly attribute it (or not) and give credit for it to the person who discovers/reports it.

CaptHenway · December 5, 2015 2:37PM

The doubled working hub theory makes the best sense.

Edited to add: The only other possibility I can think of would be a pair of dual working hub dies, where one hub was distorted in this area relative to the other hub.

Treashunt · December 5, 2015 7:35PM

congrats, I was one who said it was the real deal.

jtlee321 · December 5, 2015 7:44PM

It may be a little early for congratulations. I've emailed James Wiles. I'll let you guys know what I hear from him.

koynekwest · December 6, 2015 11:28AM

I think the news will be positive.

TPRC · December 7, 2015 5:11AM

Originally posted by: jtlee321
Thanks everyone, especially Stash. I was a bit busy earlier today, but I will try to get some more images and do a comparison to the DDR-002 listed on Varietyvista.com

TPRC, it's a DDR not a DDO

Sorry--I meant DDR, not DDO. However, the more recent photos may show the doubling, so maybe it is a DDR. IN particular, the A in AM and the PL in Pluribus do show potential doubling.

1913-D Type 1 Buffalo DDR possible discovery

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