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lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
"Spooky Moon Face"



Unusual pictorial love token engraving on 1862 Seated Liberty half dime




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Obverse: Seated Liberty design, unaltered. Reverse: strange, round face with "F G D" initials and ornamental garland above, decorative carving to left and right. Ex- "acsb-rich", eBay, 11/13/2015.



I had this piece in my eBay watchlist for a while. The weird face on it was both repellent and fascinating at the same time. One wonders what that was all about? Could it be a representation of the moon? The lettering and ornamentation were obviously done by a competent engraver, which makes the primitive aspect of the carved face all the more baffling.



Over time, I eventually decided to make an offer on it, both because I didn't yet have a Seated half dime for my love token type set, and also just... because. It is certainly odd, unusual, and unique. Since "conservation" is not quite so controversial with love tokens, I might clean, retone, and reimage this piece later, as it seems a tiny bit spotty.



I just had to have it. Can't really explain why, except it seems perfect for an "oddball" collection like mine.



Engraved/Counterstamped/Oddball Type Set




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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Spooky Moon Face image
    Soon you'll have enough material to publish a love token book.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The face resembles some of the carvings on slate tombstones from New England in the 1600's and early 1700's. Many of them started out as realistic winged cherub heads (or death's heads) but over time evolved into very simple, even abstract designs. The engraving on the sides looks like stylized wings to me, and the vine in the initials also suggests funerary art, so this may be another memorial piece.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a bit on the creepy side.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am inclined to agree that it is funerary in nature. Can you please send me pictures of it for my story?

    TD
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a cool piece.... certainly different than most love tokens... Cheers, RickO
  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wierd.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: kaz

    The face resembles some of the carvings on slate tombstones from New England in the 1600's and early 1700's. Many of them started out as realistic winged cherub heads (or death's heads) but over time evolved into very simple, even abstract designs. The engraving on the sides looks like stylized wings to me, and the vine in the initials also suggests funerary art, so this may be another memorial piece.


    Kaz- you're right- it does very much resemble the "soul portraits" seen on early tombstones, now that you mention it!



    Funny that didn't occur to me, though I am a longtime taphophile (enthusiast of old cemeteries).



    However, the soul portraits on tombstones were a century and more earlier than this host coin, so who knows.



    It was the bizarre and slightly creepy aspect of this thing that was actually the main selling point for me.



    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    I am inclined to agree that it is funerary in nature. Can you please send me pictures of it for my story?

    TD




    Cap'n- it is not in hand yet but I can scan bigger pictures when it arrives if the ones here are not sufficient for your purposes.

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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    taphophile (enthusiast of old cemeteries)...



    Learn something new everyday.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes the spirit heads or soul portraits probably peaked in the 1770's; In the 19th c. the urn and willow replaced them. I wonder if the engraver recalled a tombstone he had seen (with a winged head) and did the work more in a 19th c. spirit (face with a suggestion of hair, rather than a stylized skull or something similarly morbid). It almost looks Inuit to me.
  • bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's pretty neat in general and well done.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: lordmarcovan

    Originally posted by: kaz

    The face resembles some of the carvings on slate tombstones from New England in the 1600's and early 1700's. Many of them started out as realistic winged cherub heads (or death's heads) but over time evolved into very simple, even abstract designs. The engraving on the sides looks like stylized wings to me, and the vine in the initials also suggests funerary art, so this may be another memorial piece.


    Kaz- you're right- it does very much resemble the "soul portraits" seen on early tombstones, now that you mention it!



    Funny that didn't occur to me, though I am a longtime taphophile (enthusiast of old cemeteries).



    However, the soul portraits on tombstones were a century and more earlier than this host coin, so who knows.



    It was the bizarre and slightly creepy aspect of this thing that was actually the main selling point for me.



    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    I am inclined to agree that it is funerary in nature. Can you please send me pictures of it for my story?

    TD




    Cap'n- it is not in hand yet but I can scan bigger pictures when it arrives if the ones here are not sufficient for your purposes.




    Please do.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: epcjimi1

    taphophile (enthusiast of old cemeteries)...



    Learn something new everyday.





    When I worked for Coin World I had a friend that likes to visit old cemeteries. Not much else to do around there, so occasionally I would go with him.



    In one small rural cemetery we found a stone with a woman's name on it, birth and death dates, and the following inscription:



    "This stone was erected in her memory and paid for by her son after her daughter squandered all her mother's money!"



    I'll bet that family had some awkward family gatherings!



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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ha! That's a classic. In the Key West cemetery there is the grave of a well known hypochondriac that says simply, "I told you I was sick."
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭

    In SW Iowa, my father took me on a tour of the family graveyards.


    no coins resulted, if that is what you are wondering.

  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are whole books of funny and strange epitaphs. Old cemeteries are fascinating places. (Often great places to metal detect for old coins, too, though one must not dig on the graves themselves and must be wary of violating taboos.)



    I came across one 1906 gravestone in Asheville, NC's Riverside Cemetery that said "killed by a desperado". That might not be as surprising in Boot Hill or some other Wild West graveyard, but Asheville is a reasonably cultured city back East, and 1906 seems a bit late for Wild West style gun-slinging.



    It turns out there had been a mass shooting. The "active shooter" incidents all over the news nowadays are, sadly, nothing new. My present town of residence, Brunswick, Georgia (a much smaller city) had one in 1915 that claimed six or seven victims before the shooter was himself gunned down.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sold two small love tokens in 2004 and have regretted it ever since.



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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it, Rob!
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This and the "JASPER DILDAY" piece are in hand now.



    This piece doesn't look nearly so spotty in hand, I'm glad to say.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Considering the date on the half dime, I would guess that it commemorates a Civil War victim.
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