***CBH experts please look....

SeattleSlammer · November 8, 2015 1:59PM

This seller has a dozen PCGS Secure rim toned CBH's....yet the designated cleaned example seems to look a lot like the other straight graded examples...granted, not the best pics....but still it's interesting to me...any thoughts?

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Goldbully · November 8, 2015 2:04PM

Oh Lance........

Hydrant · November 8, 2015 2:11PM

The whole thing's got me scratching my head. All those coins. They look just alike. And to think that the same guy has all of them. In the same place. And at the same time. Amazing. Coincidence? I'll wait for the experts to weigh-in on this one.

lkeigwin · November 8, 2015 2:36PM

I'm watching a few. I figure they're all from the same collection and have been treated the same. PCGS liked some and not others.

They all have been previously cleaned and later album-retoned. That much is obvious.

I'm not crazy about any of them. But I'd love to see them in hand. The photos are not very helpful but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a winner among them.

Lance.

BustHalfBrian · November 8, 2015 3:14PM

What lkeigwin said

CoinZip · November 8, 2015 8:29PM

I agree with ikeigwin.

I bet if you had all the coins together, the details coin would have more tiny hairlines compared to the straight graded coins.

coinnut · November 8, 2015 9:44PM

I saw those too and and could not believe they straight graded. They all look harshly cleaned and retoned. I would pass on all of them

winky · November 8, 2015 10:13PM

Pretty but I would leave them alone.

grip · November 8, 2015 10:28PM

Originally posted by: coinnut
I saw those too and and could not believe they straight graded. They all look harshly cleaned and retoned. I would pass on all of them

My thoughts are the same. Most look harshly cleaned.

maibockaddict · November 9, 2015 1:04AM

There are plenty of people that like this sort of thing, but i do not care for the look, hairlines or no....

jerseycat101 · November 9, 2015 1:40AM

Originally posted by: grip

Originally posted by: coinnut
I saw those too and and could not believe they straight graded. They all look harshly cleaned and retoned. I would pass on all of them

My thoughts are the same. Most look harshly cleaned.

+1

CaptHenway · November 9, 2015 2:22AM

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

I'm watching a few. I figure they're all from the same collection and have been treated the same. PCGS liked some and not others.

They all have been previously cleaned and later album-retoned. That much is obvious.

I'm not crazy about any of them. But I'd love to see them in hand. The photos are not very helpful but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a winner among them.

Lance.

johnny9434 · November 9, 2015 4:00AM

Originally posted by: lkeigwin
I'm watching a few. I figure they're all from the same collection and have been treated the same. PCGS liked some and not others.

They all have been previously cleaned and later album-retoned. That much is obvious.

I'm not crazy about any of them. But I'd love to see them in hand. The photos are not very helpful but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a winner among them.
Lance.

yeah what he said...

coin22lover · November 9, 2015 6:52AM

Yuck.

nankraut · November 9, 2015 7:04AM

I'd have to see these coins in hand; but from the photos, I only have 1 word.....skeptical

grip · November 9, 2015 7:18AM

The 27 and 33 looks to be the best to my eyes.

astrorat · November 9, 2015 7:28AM

Meh ... nothing remarkable, based on the images. Just an old "collection" of cleaned coins that was packed away for a couple of decades or so.

SeattleSlammer · November 9, 2015 8:11AM

Isn't the "sniffer" part of the Secure service supposed to sniff out the cleaning?....or could it just be a matter of a new chemical being used not yet programmed into the sniffer's brain? Or doesn't it work that way at all?

stman · November 9, 2015 9:00AM

A lot of folks like this kind of L@@K. These images are just a bit harsh and show some of the nastiness. Most don't show it. I'm not fond of this look whatsoever and I'm trying to be nice. As far as the sniffer........ I don't think PCGS would want it to detect cleaned coins. If they did most/many of the classic coins would be tagged.

Edit to add, and I'm not even a bust half 'expert."

BustCuds · November 9, 2015 9:05AM

Not my "Cup of tea"...to each their own

lkeigwin · November 9, 2015 11:39AM

Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer

Isn't the "sniffer" part of the Secure service supposed to sniff out the cleaning?....or could it just be a matter of a new chemical being used not yet programmed into the sniffer's brain? Or doesn't it work that way at all?

No, the Sniffer has nothing to do with cleaning. It's just supposed to detect PCGS's banned chemicals.

Lance.

DoubleEagle59 · November 9, 2015 12:11PM

That toning just doesn't look right to me.

I think for these coins, AT does not mean 'album toning'.

roadrunner · November 9, 2015 12:54PM

Looks just like the stuff that came out of the Buffalo Historical Society sale about 10 years ago. A lot of that stuff straight graded....and probably shouldn't have. I bet they wouldn't today.

SeattleSlammer · November 10, 2015 7:31AM

Originally posted by: lkeigwin

Originally posted by: SeattleSlammer
Isn't the "sniffer" part of the Secure service supposed to sniff out the cleaning?....or could it just be a matter of a new chemical being used not yet programmed into the sniffer's brain? Or doesn't it work that way at all?

No, the Sniffer has nothing to do with cleaning. It's just supposed to detect PCGS's banned chemicals.
Lance.

Ok. I hate to be dense (yet I am all the time!) but I thought that the sniffer detected common chemicals used for cleaning....I mean in this case if these CBH's are indeed cleaned then the cleaner didn't just use a Brillo pad and no chemicals, right?

***CBH experts please look....

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