Variety attribution - TrueViews are in - I won't quit my day job (QDO only...pop ONE!)
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I sent in four coins for variety attribution and trueview (Secure Plus), so far three of four have been attributed to what I identified, but one has not been identified (yet), subject to revision. I seen a previous thread about misattribution, not identifying the variety and the goat-rope of getting it resubmitted and the back side pain involved. I am going to give them a call later today and ask for a "revisit" prior to shipping them back to me. The TrueViews have not posted yet, but my Certification numbers have been updated (well, three of four so far). The variety is obvious to me at least, which brings up the question;
Does PCGS have Variety Attribution specialists or just a couple of people and a cherrypicker guide (an other reference material)?
1936-S San Diego Commemorative QDO & RPM FS-101
Pick Up Points are Quadrupling on the bottoms of LIBERTY and Repunched Mint Mark to the North. Minor doubling on HALF DOLLAR is also present.
Does PCGS have Variety Attribution specialists or just a couple of people and a cherrypicker guide (an other reference material)?
1936-S San Diego Commemorative QDO & RPM FS-101
Pick Up Points are Quadrupling on the bottoms of LIBERTY and Repunched Mint Mark to the North. Minor doubling on HALF DOLLAR is also present.
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
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<< <i>Thats my understanding also.
WS >>
I think it's just Steve Poliquin and one other one.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
I'll check back tomorrow.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>I just called PCGS Customer Service, and she said that my order was still in variety attribution. It guess it would make sense since it was the last of four cons on my order, if they were going sequentially.
I'll check back tomorrow. >>
I'm currently in the same limbo as you. I have 10 currently submitted, but as of today only 6/10 have been attributed in my queue, but my entire order is still "In Progress". Naturally, they saved the most difficult ones to attribute last
<< <i> ...Naturally, they saved the most difficult ones to attribute last >>
Images added to the OP, just in case you would like to weigh in on your opinion.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Which comes first? Probably the grading process.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>I presume that all 4 varieties you sent in are varieties that PCGS attributes? Many collectors assume that PCGS does all varieties, which is far, far from the case. >>
Yes, it would be a waste of time and money otherwise...this particular one would be 1936-D/D 50C QDO & RPM FS-101 San Diego (PCGS # 511604)
1936-D/D 50C QDO & RPM FS-101 San Diego (Regular Strike)
The other three have been attributed.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Hmph.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
When Phil does his magic on imaging it should be painfully obvious.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>Many collectors assume that PCGS does all varieties, which is far, far from the case. >>
and nets them some healthy profit in the process w/o the submitter getting anything but a sore spot.
would be awesome to have a page of ONLY an actual list. seems php or something could do this easily. when removed from the pops, it moves off the list automatically.
the pops and attrib list are nice and all but.....
doing that job would be awesome!
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1844 $1 Double Die Obverse & Mis(s) Placed Date VF35 PCGS. Minor Variety.
Pick Up Points: Doubling on the viewers right side of the shield and horizontal & vertical lines, Misplaced Digit in the Gown and Misplaced Digit in the Denticles. Also noted (but not attributed) is the RPD (8)
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>probably to justify the fee that they acquired. >>
and from enormous submitter pressure to get some acknowledgement of their (non-pcgs-listable) varieties/marriages.
some varieties in the minor camp are insulting as such but better than being ignored altogether?
i haven't come across anything that anacs wouldnt/couldnt attribute. just saying for those with coins that want a reputable tpg for coins pcgs/ngc dont attribute, yet.
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<< <i>Four (business) days stuck in the variety attribution cue? Something is amiss, but Customer Service isn't saying anything other than it is in the variety attribution cue. >>
This don't not seem abnormal to me.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Welcome to Wednesday.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
<< <i>I just heard back yesterday that a variety I sent in did NOT get the variety attribution it deserved, FS-101. It now has to go back to again. >>
^^^ This is what I am trying to avoid! ^^^
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
The problem I had yesterday was for a coin that I sent to Great Collections raw, asked them to send the coin to the TPG for grading and attribution. Great Collections does not have an hour to spend on writing a note and attaching photos etc for an attribution and I understand that....so I had to inform Great Collections that it is indeed the variety and that they will have to send it back to the TPG for correction. I had to do this with a coin last year where it required 3 trips to the TPG in order for it to become correctly attributed. That time it was a Mercury Dime. This time it is a Proof Washington Quarter. I think on the 3rd time last year with the Mercury Dime, Great Collections wrote a note to draw some attention to the problem.
Good luck! If you do what I normally do when I send in coins, I think you will minimize any potential challenges.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
"PCGS recognizes the following varieties:
◦Half Cents (1793-1857) by Cohen numbers
◦Large Cents (1793-1814) by Sheldon numbers
◦Large Cents (1816-1857) by Newcomb numbers
◦Half Dimes (1794-1837) by Logan/McCloskey numbers
◦Dimes (1796-1837) by John Reich Society numbers
◦NEW Liberty Seated Dimes (1837-1891) by Fortin numbers
◦Quarter Dollars (1796-1838) by Browning numbers
◦Half Dollars (1794-1836) by Overton numbers
◦Capped Bust Reeded Edge Half Dollars (1936 – 1939) by the Dick Graham (GR) numbers
◦Liberty Seated Half Dollars by Wiley-Bugert (WB) number
◦Dollars (1794-1804) by Bolender and Bowers/Borckardt numbers
◦Morgan and Peace Dollars (1878-1935) by VAM numbers (Includes TOP 100, HOT 50, and Hit List 40; see list)
◦Gold Quarter Eagles, Half Eagles and Eagles (1795-1834) by Bass/Dannreuther numbers
◦Fivaz-Stanton Varieties from the Cherrypickers Guide, Fourth Edition Vol. II and Fifth Edition Vol. I (see list for exclusions)"
PCGS Variety FAQ
They are supposed to be open now (0700 - 1700 PST), time to make another call and update my "paper trail".
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
I really find it disturbing to be dismissed as such.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
My wife is gonna raise a question when she sees the PCGS Customer Service phone number that I called so many times on my phone call log.
..."It's Jake from State Farm".
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
While PCGS does not have an image of the FS-101 (yet), NGC does have some in NGC VarietyPlus listed as RPM D/D FS-501 (although they have added the LIBERTY Quadrupling of the FS-101);
1936-D/D FS-501 plus LIBERTY QDO
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>Sadly I'm still waiting as well. Same 4 have not been updated since my original posts on August 27th. Maybe it's just the show + holiday weekend. In regards to receiving a coin unattributed, I have found it beneficial to call them immediately once grades were posted, and request that the attributers take a second look. I've had this happen 3 times in the past year, and they've all come back properly attributed the second time around before being shipped to me. Good Luck!! >>
Mine has been sitting since 8-24-15 with no luck.
Until next week on this subject...
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
The 3 1/2 leg buffalo nickel saga, UPDATED
The normal turn around times lately have seem to be quite fast.
1936-D San Diego Commemorative Half - QDO & RPM FS-101
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Pick-up points; inside the loops of B and R of LIBERTY along with the bottoms of the letters of LIBERTY. The RePunched Mint Mark to the South of the original.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>My presumption has always been that there's just one (now two) people doing attributions... the first guy who is really, really good and a newer person. >>
I must have gotten the newer person then, who is afraid to ask for another opinion
It is still painfully obvious to me!
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
<< <i>TrueViews are in - may I have another set of eyes on this before it leaves their facility so I can get it reconsidered...if need be.
1936-D San Diego Commemorative Half - QDO & RPM FS-101
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Pick-up points; inside the loops of B and R of LIBERTY along with the bottoms of the letters of LIBERTY. The RePunched Mint Mark to the South of the original. >>
Call them and refer them to this thread, the pick up points and their own photo of the coin.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
BUT...I dont see the variety in the PCGS POP report, nor the PCGS price guide, nor the Commem. Variety Registry Set.
So I am guessing that the problem is that PCGS has not given the Variety a coin number as yet. Yours is the first they have seen?
1936-D/D 50C QDO & RPM FS-101 San Diego (Regular Strike)
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
...at least I got their attention before it left the premises.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
Why the fuss? Minor Variety = little to no value increase. FS-101 = almost double in value.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
I guess my day job is safe. I have not heard of just the QDO on the San Diego Commem...population...ONE!
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
You should get at least 10 free (variety included) vouchers just for the trouble.
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore...
through that bull. Almost as bad as pairing a phone with the auto computer. lol
Jim
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