**UPDATE** A Love affair between 2 eBayers.....1793 + 1794
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ArizonaRareCoins
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Isn't this sweet....on Aug 6, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1793 Wreath cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
and yet again, on Aug 21, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1793 Wreath cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
today, ebay member 'smitus-icdwdre (59)' is selling that same 1793 Wreath cent to ebay member 's***l (241)' aka 'wholesalecoins99(241)':
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
on July 19, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
and yet again, on Aug 6, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
today, ebay member 'smitus-icdwdre (59)' is selling that same 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***l (241)' aka 'wholesalecoins99(241)':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
SHILL bidding at its finest.
*** UPDATE ***
The seller/crook wholsalecoins99 and his co-conspirator smitus-icdwdre, have been NARU'd from eBay:
wholsalecoins99 NARU'd
smitus-icdwdre NARU'd
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
and yet again, on Aug 21, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1793 Wreath cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
today, ebay member 'smitus-icdwdre (59)' is selling that same 1793 Wreath cent to ebay member 's***l (241)' aka 'wholesalecoins99(241)':
1793 Wreath PCGS XF damage PCGS#25206504
on July 19, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
and yet again, on Aug 6, ebay member 'wholesalecoins99 (241)' sold his 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***i (59)' aka 'smitus-icdwdre (59 )':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
today, ebay member 'smitus-icdwdre (59)' is selling that same 1794 Flowing cent to ebay member 's***l (241)' aka 'wholesalecoins99(241)':
1794 Flowing NGC XF corrosion NGC#2662244-005
SHILL bidding at its finest.
*** UPDATE ***
The seller/crook wholsalecoins99 and his co-conspirator smitus-icdwdre, have been NARU'd from eBay:
wholsalecoins99 NARU'd
smitus-icdwdre NARU'd
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What a tool.
Of course maybe s***I(59) kept returning it, and so they had to relist it.
He's sure racking up eBay fees0 -
why can't eBay do anything about this?
Of course not, they get their fees.Frank
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If you have a zero insertion fee special and then cancle for cause there are no fees. This being the case these listings most likely did not cost the seller anything.0
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Ebay refunds the selling fees on returns. So no fees.I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.0
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And,
This seller used the same schill bidder to push this auction. 400952777969 past $5,000.
Dirty dirty dirty.
Have a nice day0 -
Ahhhh, Love!"If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
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Amazing what can be seen on ebay with a bit of data analysis...... long ago gave up on this venue.... Yes, I know, sometimes some treasures are found.... but for me, just not worth the hassle. Cheers, RickO0
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<< <i>Amazing what can be seen on ebay with a bit of data analysis...... long ago gave up on this venue.... Yes, I know, sometimes some treasures are found.... but for me, just not worth the hassle. Cheers, RickO >>
+1Tom
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Keep looking you will find a lot more.
Wish I had one.
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The thing is, that shill bidding is against Ebay rules but it's practically impossible for anyone to find a place on Ebay to register a complaint. Ultimately, Ebay benefits from shill bidding because a higher price realized with a legitimate seller means a higher Ebay fee. The bottom line as a buyer is to only bid what you're willing to bid and have the composure not to raise your bid above your limit.I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.0
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If you go to the "contact" at the top of the ebay pages and then click on help it brings
up a box....put in "shill" .....then it tells you that shilling is against the rules and offers
you a "contact us" option. Just did that and got through with NO wait time..got a
knowledgeable person that understood what I was telling him and just ran through
the ebay item numbers off the above info.
Let's see if it helps....
No waiting time,,,,unbelievable!!
bob
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com0 -
This particular seller with his shill bidding is right out in the open about it.
And it continues unabated with ebay offering no practical enforcement.
Shill bidding is a felony.
After the Taubman incident with Sothebys and his subsequent jail time incurred you might think that a sharp Ebay CEO would value the need for corporate responsibility. Apparently not.
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Incredible detective work their Arizona!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
The name is LEE!0 -
*****UPDATE*****
This is priceless. The ebay shiller, wholesalecoins99(241)= aka s***l(241), just cancelled his shill bid on his Wreath cent:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
Member Id: s***l( 241) Retracted: US $2,428.00
Bid: Oct-01-15 12:02:40 PDT
Retracted: Oct-06-15 12:34:31 PDT
1793 Wreath cent bid retraction by wholsalecoins99
wholesalecoins99(241)= aka s***l(241), just cancelled his shill bid on his 1794 Flowing cent:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
Member Id: s***l( 241) Retracted: US $311.00
Bid: Oct-01-15 12:02:06 PDT
Retracted: Oct-06-15 12:34:02 PDT
1794 Flowing cent bid retraction by wholesalecoins99
Somebody must have told wholesalecoins99 that we're on to him. lol0 -
I suspect my phone call to ebay had some teeth in it. I bet they are the ones to contact
them...
bob
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com0 -
Nice job, Az rare coins, and Bob!0
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<< <i>I suspect my phone call to ebay had some teeth in it. I bet they are the ones to contact
them...
bob >>
If Ebay is indeed involved and Ebay follows their own rules, then both accounts would be suspended. Shill bidding is one of those big "thou shalt not break" rules.I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.0 -
Amazingly, s***i(242) aka wholesalecoins99(242), after being caught shilling on this 1793 Wreath cent and retracted his shill bid:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
Member Id: s***l( 242) Retracted: US $2,428.00
Bid: Oct-01-15 12:02:40 PDT
Retracted: Oct-06-15 12:34:31 PDT
retracted shill bid by wholesalecoins99(242) aka s***i(242)
He has again just shilled 5 times today. He really doesn't care about shilling and being caught. AMAZING
Amazingly, s***i(242) aka wholesalecoins99(242), after being caught shilling on this 1794 Flowing cent and retracted his shill bid:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
Member Id: s***l( 242) Retracted: US $311.00
Bid: Oct-01-15 12:02:06 PDT
Retracted: Oct-06-15 12:34:02 PDT
retracted shill bid by wholesalecoins99(242) aka s***i(242)
He has again just shilled 11 times today. He really doesn't care about shilling and being caught. AMAZING
Seriously, does Ebay not realize this is the worst case of SHILLING ever0 -
+++ UPDATE +++
wholsalecoins99 and his "shiller" 'smitus-icdwdre (75) aka s***i(75) Are up to their old tricks again:
1. 1793 chain cent shill:
1793 chain cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
2. 1793 half cent shill:
1793 half cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
3. 1856-s $3 Gold shill:
1856-s $3 gold SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
4. 1859 indian cent shill:
1850 cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)0 -
Originally posted by: ArizonaRareCoins
+++ UPDATE +++
wholsalecoins99 and his "shiller" 'smitus-icdwdre (75) aka s***i(75) Are up to their old tricks again:
1. 1793 chain cent shill:
1793 chain cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
2. 1793 half cent shill:
1793 half cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
3. 1856-s $3 Gold shill:
1856-s $3 gold SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
4. 1859 indian cent shill:
1850 cent SHILLED by s***i(75) aka smitus-icdwdre(75)
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So, is eBay just as guilty of a felony here (if shill bidding is a felony) since they know about this case from Bob, refuse to stop it and quite frankly enable it? It is against eBay rules but eBay does nothing about it when they know it is happening and enables it to continue. They would be an accomplice to shill bidding in this case, would they not? Something like this could be a big news story with enough data compiled. Sure would be an interesting story to hit news outlets this time of year. eBay is enabling everyone to be ripped off, or so it seems."If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.0 -
worst case of shilling ever? Now I think you are getting ahead of yourself.
What about your friend neyronix- or the infamous potted plant?may the fonz be with you...always...0 -
*** UPDATE ***
The seller/crook wholsalecoins99 and his co-conspirator smitus-icdwdre, have been NARU'd from eBay:
wholesalecoins99 NARU'd
smitus-icdwdre NARU'd0 -
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
LinkRick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:0 -
Originally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
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That was subtle0 -
It's all been very entertaining.0
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Originally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Interesting. What is the price implication, given the (relatively) small number of patterns made?
One would think that a coin dealer would appreciate the difference (versus, say, some guy
auctioning off his grandad's collection) - or at least highlight the difference.
OTOH, anyone dropping 3 kilobucks+ on a graded FE cent would probably not need to be told...
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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Originally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Perhaps you should learn about coins before making yourself look stupid again in the future.....The term "(J-192) " in my description refers to the Judd listing. Learn about these things and this wont happen to you again in the future. SCHOOLED0 -
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Originally posted by: ArizonaRareCoinsOriginally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Perhaps you should learn about coins before making yourself look stupid again in the future.....The term "(J-192) " in my description refers to the Judd listing. Learn about these things and this wont happen to you again in the future. SCHOOLED
Is that statement directed towards Rick?0 -
Originally posted by: gonzerOriginally posted by: ArizonaRareCoinsOriginally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Perhaps you should learn about coins before making yourself look stupid again in the future.....The term "(J-192) " in my description refers to the Judd listing. Learn about these things and this wont happen to you again in the future. SCHOOLED
Is that statement directed towards Rick?
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I wasn't aware eBay changed their strict policy forbidding the listing of a phone number within the auction description. It was so potential bidders wouldn't contact the seller directly and work out 'outside' arrangements.
Good to see eBay is totally lightening up on their policies to protect themselves against fee avoidance and allowing sellers to now do what was against procedure before.0 -
The irony here is you will probably be next to be NARU'd. Several policy violations in your listings. Why the personal vendetta against this eBay seller when you don't follow the rules yourself??0
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Originally posted by: ArizonaRareCoinsOriginally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Perhaps you should learn about coins before making yourself look stupid again in the future.....The term "(J-192) " in my description refers to the Judd listing. Learn about these things and this wont happen to you again in the future. SCHOOLED
I hope you're trolling.
And if you aren't, let's get into semantics. All Judd's are patterns, but not all patterns are Judd's. Rick called it a pattern and it is. The eBay description lacks either term. Maybe you should hop into Rick's backpack and he'll take you to school for sure.-1 -
"The eBay description lacks either term"
re-read the description and COMPREHEND:
1858 FLYING EAGLE CENT (J-192)0 -
Originally posted by: braddick
I wasn't aware eBay changed their strict policy forbidding the listing of a phone number within the auction description. It was so potential bidders wouldn't contact the seller directly and work out 'outside' arrangements.
Good to see eBay is totally lightening up on their policies to protect themselves against fee avoidance and allowing sellers to now do what was against procedure before.
see description
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Originally posted by: jclovescoins
The irony here is you will probably be next to be NARU'd. Several policy violations in your listings. Why the personal vendetta against this eBay seller when you don't follow the rules yourself??
Don't have any personal vendetta. I follow ebay rules as everyone must.
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Pardon, I meant "title".0
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Originally posted by: mach1neOriginally posted by: ArizonaRareCoinsOriginally posted by: EagleEye
Great job.
Now if we can only get sellers to properly describe their coins. It is a bit deceiving to list a Pattern 1858 FE cent as a Proof regular issue.
Link
Perhaps you should learn about coins before making yourself look stupid again in the future.....The term "(J-192) " in my description refers to the Judd listing. Learn about these things and this wont happen to you again in the future. SCHOOLED
I hope you're trolling.
And if you aren't, let's get into semantics. All Judd's are patterns, but not all patterns are Judd's. Rick called it a pattern and it is. The eBay description lacks either term. Maybe you should hop into Rick's backpack and he'll take you to school for sure.
The Judd (J-192) is on the NGC holder as pictured in the listing and in bold green letters in the first line of the coins description. Perhaps you need to contact NGC and complain to them as to why the holder doesn't say "PATTERN" I described this coin exactly as NGC did.....learn to COMPREHEND0 -
Originally posted by: mach1ne
Pardon, I meant "title".
So you want me to put j-192 in the title....done.....so now it's in the title, description and the main picture of the holder........anywhere else you want me to state it?
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I think "Arizona Rare Coins" was unfairly accused in this instance. The images and description clearly stated the Judd number of the coin in question.0
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Originally posted by: Hydrant
It all seemed so simple and straightforward in the beginning.
You mean this thread or life in general.....lol0
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