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Broadstruck
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I had sent DonWillis a private message when Collectors.com was launched as a search quickly found a upcoming auction lot that I missed glancing at the sale. If not for Collectors.com I would have surely kicked myself had I missed it and saw it in their archives post sale. So moving forward a month from when first discovered it's now all mine.
It's an unlisted metal type in Copper unknown to J. Doyle DeWitt & Edmund B. Sullivan in his revision as USG-1868-31 is listed as only having been issued in Brass. The die-sinking was done by Mr. Jarvis E. Ellis an engraver employed at Scovill Manufacturing Co. in Waterbury, Connecticut. Although similar to the more commonly seen 30 variety on the 31 obverse Ellis added a forth star on Grant's shoulder and wrinkles on his forehead. Wrongly attributed as a variety 30 by NGC and as the correct 31 variety it's 1 of only 2 (Now 3) known struck in Copper.
1868 Ulysses S. Grant, Presidential Campaign, DeWitt-USG-1868-31, 28mm Diameter, Unlisted in Copper


Here's my newp (top along with my other (below) both graded MS64RB by NGC & wrongly variety designated. However there's a huge difference in redness between the two. The new top example is fully red with fully proof like obverse and reverse fields with mint frost which makes it look cameo. I was extremely trilled to acquire this as in hand condition wise it's just breathtaking.

It's an unlisted metal type in Copper unknown to J. Doyle DeWitt & Edmund B. Sullivan in his revision as USG-1868-31 is listed as only having been issued in Brass. The die-sinking was done by Mr. Jarvis E. Ellis an engraver employed at Scovill Manufacturing Co. in Waterbury, Connecticut. Although similar to the more commonly seen 30 variety on the 31 obverse Ellis added a forth star on Grant's shoulder and wrinkles on his forehead. Wrongly attributed as a variety 30 by NGC and as the correct 31 variety it's 1 of only 2 (Now 3) known struck in Copper.
1868 Ulysses S. Grant, Presidential Campaign, DeWitt-USG-1868-31, 28mm Diameter, Unlisted in Copper


Here's my newp (top along with my other (below) both graded MS64RB by NGC & wrongly variety designated. However there's a huge difference in redness between the two. The new top example is fully red with fully proof like obverse and reverse fields with mint frost which makes it look cameo. I was extremely trilled to acquire this as in hand condition wise it's just breathtaking.

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Wow! Don mentioned someone would have missed out on a sale if it were not for Collectors.com but I had no idea it was a board member!
Congrats! Beautiful find!
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Great pickup, Broadstruck. I continue to be amazed at the breadth of your knowledge of exonumia.0
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Congrats!
"If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
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<< <i>Wow! Don mentioned someone would have missed out on a sale if it were not for Collectors.com but I had no idea it was a board member!
Congrats! Beautiful find!
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Yeah and I was asked if I wanted to comment on Collectors.com in an article just didn't want to prior to acquiring this. As Collectors.com was working so well prior to auction this was appearing 5 times in a search.
I didn't pre-bid and just set a nuclear live proxy bid which I watched to make sure it was accepted. I ended up winning it for a song compared to my maximum bid which was a nice bonus.To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!0 -
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<< <i>1868 Ulysses S. Grant, Presidential Campaign, DeWitt-USG-1868-31, 28mm Diameter, Unlisted in Copper >>
Given how many unlisted pieces you have, when will they be listed? Will you create a guide with your own numbers?0 -
<< <i>Great pickup, Broadstruck. I continue to be amazed at the breadth of your knowledge of exonumia. >>
Thanks kaz!
I really love this area of the hobby as history wise alone I doubt I'll ever get bored researching and learning as much as I can.
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Awwww man!!!! Now everyone will know about collectors.com
and find their next treasure
CoinsAreFun Pictorials Album FOR SALE SOME will mark final ones before auction
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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<< <i>1868 Ulysses S. Grant, Presidential Campaign, DeWitt-USG-1868-31, 28mm Diameter, Unlisted in Copper >>
Given how many unlisted pieces you have, when will they be listed? Will you create a guide with your own numbers? >>
Zoins, But, but, but they are worth more unlisted
Seriously I would like to get something written on the Guttags even if just in TAMS as there's nothing out there.
Just need to get to ANS for additional research.To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!0 -
It would be great to get the Guttags cataloged and even into a registry set.
I also like how the Grants both have 4 buttons - slowly learning
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Congrats.
I still owe YOU thanks for helping me find my Monitor token.Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
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I just wish Collectors.com did not have so many duplicate listings.I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.0
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That is one very cool piece! Congratulations!
AB
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Great acquisition.... nice condition..... Cheers, RickO0
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U.S. Grant in his final days (dying from brain cancer), writing his memoirs at Saratoga Springs, N.Y.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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i'm very happy for you! congrats!0
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way cool congrats.0
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<< <i>U.S. Grant in his final days (dying from brain cancer), writing his memoirs at Saratoga Springs, N.Y. >>
His memoirs are available on the Kindle for 99 cents
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Thanks everyone!

<< <i>U.S. Grant in his final days (dying from brain cancer), writing his memoirs at Saratoga Springs, N.Y. >>
Coindeuce, It wasn't brain cancer as he was dying from tongue and throat cancer when he wrote his memoirs.To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!0 -
True, most likely related to his longtime use of cigars.0
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