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Please lend me an eye... CAC'd with Corrosion?
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1918-S, 8 over 7. NGC graded AU-58 PQ. CAC Approved.
Is that environmental corrosion that's eaten into the surface of the coin at 8 O'Clock on the obverse
Lot 1023
1918-S, 8 over 7. NGC graded AU-58 PQ. CAC Approved. Nice old time obverse toning. Popular key date and especially well struck for this rare overdate issue. The surfaces are a delight and this example will stand tall in any advanced collection. The three leaves on Liberty's head are seldom found this sharp. It would be hard to imagine a more perfect example of this rarity without getting well up into the gem grade level, way beyond what this jewel will bring. Exciting quality and downright rare. The Liberty Standing quarter is truly one of the most elegant designs of the last century and this is the only overdate from the series. Pop 33; 53 finer .
Estimated Value $11,000 - 13,000.
Is that environmental corrosion that's eaten into the surface of the coin at 8 O'Clock on the obverse
Lot 1023
1918-S, 8 over 7. NGC graded AU-58 PQ. CAC Approved. Nice old time obverse toning. Popular key date and especially well struck for this rare overdate issue. The surfaces are a delight and this example will stand tall in any advanced collection. The three leaves on Liberty's head are seldom found this sharp. It would be hard to imagine a more perfect example of this rarity without getting well up into the gem grade level, way beyond what this jewel will bring. Exciting quality and downright rare. The Liberty Standing quarter is truly one of the most elegant designs of the last century and this is the only overdate from the series. Pop 33; 53 finer .
Estimated Value $11,000 - 13,000.
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Now, what truly strange is the dropped mintmark just right of the fig branch in Liberty's right arm.
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I would say it isn't just 8 o'clock that has damage or will have damage at some point soon.
I disagree with the lot description. It is not nice old time toning. That is active corrosion in
my opinion.
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<< <i>Not toning as you can see it is delaminating around the spot and it's not due to any sort of planchet impurity issue. >>
Do you believe it happened after encapsulation or was it always there and PCGS along with CAC simply missed it?
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<< <i>Do you believe it happened after encapsulation or was it always there and PCGS along with CAC simply missed it? >>
It's in a NGC holder and this coin didn't turn in the holder as it had issues well before being slabbed.
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this
looks like a swamp hickie to me
yup
a swamp hickie
<< <i>Now, what truly strange is the dropped mintmark just right of the fig branch in Liberty's right arm. >>
It's not a dropped tiny D mintmark but a common die mark glob on the 1918/7-S over dates.
<< <i>Broadstruck the crusader, CAC blasphemer! >>
I don't mean to be as I'm not out there intentionally searching for this stuff just see it during my normal web travels.
<< <i>I think it's just a bad picture of toning. I don't see any delaminating or anything else to make me think otherwise.
-Paul >>
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<< <i>Now, what truly strange is the dropped mintmark just right of the fig branch in Liberty's right arm. >>
It's not a dropped tiny D mintmark but a common die mark glob on the 1918/7-S over dates. >>
I was kind of joking about that... but honestly. . . difficult to think all those graders along with CAC missed what does appear to be
obvious corrosion (photo wise).
A possible speculation is although it looks bad, in hand it is not.
peacockcoins
It looks that the speckled, multi color toning that seems to occur mostly on Standing Liberty quarters.
<< <i>this
looks like a swamp hickie to me
yup
a swamp hickie >>
That's a great term!
of the toning is identical to a badly corroded Roosie (straight-graded) I bought once on eBay.
<< <i>I just blew it up to max resolution in my browser. Certainly looks like metal is missing. The color
of the toning is identical to a badly corroded Roosie (straight-graded) I bought once on eBay. >>
CoinJunkie, Thanks as I have no visual impairment and knew my eyes weren't playing tricks on me
<< <i>Ugly coin. Don't care how rare. Keep throwing your money at CAC. >>
Ugly... Now wait a minute as how can that be since it's being decribed as PQ, a Jewel, & Exciting Quality
<< <i>Is that environmental corrosion that's eaten into the surface of the coin at 8 O'Clock on the obverse >>
And elsewhere. But I've seen worse CAC'd terminal toning.
Lance.
<< <i>It's rare, that says it all. >>
I know but stretching market acceptability shouldn't be a factor when there are corrosion issues.
I can't tell if that's corrosion or just the usual blackish/dark brown peripheral toning seen on original 1917-1918 SLQ's. CAC and NGC have seen the coin close up. How can I argue with them w/o seeing it?
I've had CAC reject PF65 No motto seated halves from me that had a single micro black spot hidden on the coin....like many gem seated coins. They were afraid it was corrosion or could get worse. I owned the coins for 6 years and never saw them...lol.
Nice overdate imo. And of course the majority will say "why isn't it in a PCGS holder?" Only the current owner (or Heritage) can answer that. If I refused to buy any original gem seated coins because of an isolated "black spot" or two on the coin, I'd have bought very few to none. My best seated coin ever was 85% white, 100% original, with a jet black rim. How it got that way, I don't know. But it's sister coin that Dave Akers bought out of the same sale, had the exact same pristine gem look...with a black rim.
Ok. All toning is corrosion. I get that. It's technically a correct statement coming from a chemical engineer. So now what? Dip everything that is left?
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<< <i>I've had CAC reject PF65 No motto seated halves from me that had a single micro black spot hidden on the coin....like many gem seated coins. They were afraid it was corrosion or could get worse. I owned the coins for 6 years and never saw them...lol. >>
Well that's good to hear as with the amount of stickered stuff I've seen that makes me scratch my head... I thought it was time for them to train a few seeing eye dogs and change the name to Canine Acceptance Corp.
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<< <i>the "toning" on this coin is specks of dried-out die grease IMO. >>
Any areas of a coin that has remaining die grease present on the surface does not tone as it's inhibited from tarnishing.
I rather like this coin. When examining it in hand, I would look into the trail of black dots from the mint mark to the top right star, but I'm thinking the magnification is really exaggerating their severity.
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Very wholesome. The thicker corrosion that shows up most obviously blends in well with the other corrosion around it. It's not active.
Not only are you micro-grading the surfaces, or at least throwing out the baby with the bath-water, but that's a once-every-5-years head in any grade.
<< <i>To all who criticize.... Post an image or link of an AU58 overdate you like
Very wholesome. The thicker corrosion that shows up most obviously blends in well with the other corrosion around it. It's not active.
Not only are you micro-grading the surfaces, or at least throwing out the baby with the bath-water, but that's a once-every-5-years head in any grade. >>
It's true this variety is tough to find non dipped at AU58 or under and especially with a complete Full Head.
But calling this a once in 5 year coin for only having about 50% of only the top of the head is meaningless unless it also comes with a MAC 90FH sticker
Grading standards for a series shouldn't change because of the date or rarity.
I knew it would happen.
I see nattering nabobs of negativity
Not sure what others are seeing but this coin clearly shows corrosion, not toning, IMO.
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<< <i>prefers you asking to lend me an eye with 16 or 17 type 1's as to strike quality and features
this
looks like a swamp hickie to me
yup
a swamp hickie >>
I think Ted nailed it. It's a "Swamp Hickie"