Sometimes you go to a garage sale and spend way too much money on a piece of junk, but other times you pick up a great bargain.
Your skill and knowledge allowed you to pick that beauty out of that auction and you should be proud you had the knowledge to do so. There will always be those self described "hall monitors" and they will never go away. Just let it go and know that just about everyone, myself included, cheer for you on your cherry pick.
<< <i>To all: many thanks for your support and kind words, but I think we should let this one die now. Everything that could have been said has been said. My original intent for this thread was to remind everyone that there are still disgruntled rats out there, ready to cause problems at the first chance they get. This fact has been acknowledged umpteen times already, I don't think there is any disagreement there. The rat knows who he is, and should know by now that if he ever slips up and accidentally reveals his persona, there is an army of us waiting with torches and pitchforks...
Fortunately I have the coin in hand, and after all, that's the important thing.
Cheers, Jim >>
Congrat's. This forum is littered with a ton of ex safety boys and hall monitors. Jealousy rears its ugly head here.................again
In some ways I am surprised someone would inform the seller, but in other ways it seems predictable behavior.
You did nothing unethical and simply purchased merchandise that someone, who presumably has the requisite knowledge to sell, offered for sale. Good work and good eye.
<< <i>Personally, I would never list major scores on the coin forum, as the coin community is rather small and well-connected. Nothing good could come of it. >>
Yep, the biggest scores cannot be bragged about on these forums.
I love learning about coins and what to look for while cherry picking. Sometimes those tidbits of information pay off.
I personally would never undermine another's fortunate finds. Rather, I would be motivated to go out and hunt for my own cherry pick and quietly say thank you to those that shared generously and gave me the knowledge to do so.
So, thank you to those that have the knowledge, the integrity, and the generosity that most of our forum members possess!
I think that if I personally knew the seller or had done some business with him.................... or any of you for that matter........you wouldn't have told him? Sure, we can all assume that it was someone with a big mouth who possibly had an agenda but what if it was a personal thing and because he talks with this seller on a regular basis and this individual has always been a straight up guy. And let's not forget, it was a done deal and only a matter of not making the same mistake again. Why not pass the word? You're kidding yourselves if you believe this should not ever happen. If the seller thinks he's owed something, he's mistaken, it's sour grapes on him and not the individual(s) who felt they had an obligation to do so because they might consider this seller a friend.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
One of my mottos is : "If I wanted to change the world, I'd start by changing my mind " As to the universe; theres a perfect balance, even with mankind spinning out of control.
I can only assume it was someone(s) from this board who notified the seller. The timing is too coincidental. According to my understanding, this is a huge breach of board etiquette. Why does somebody do this? Sour grapes? Common sense and decency says you don't do this, there is nothing to gain and it just opens up a hornets nest. Now I've got an unhappy seller on my case.
Some people are just not happy unless they are fiddling and diddling with someone else's stuff.I wouldn't tell a soul here where if I were to make a great cherry pick on ebay.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
The buyer didn't in fact post his win/cherry pick, someone else did. Not much you can do about that.
mbogoman, you have many times asked others to help report sellers on alleged fake coins, so in a way, you are doing the same thing that ticked you off!
I have been looking on and off for about a dozen varieties. I have looked at hundreds/thousands of pictures and not found any. I have purchased a couple dozen lots that looked like they had potential, but were not the special one. A couple hundred hours of effort later, I am still looking off and on.
Those people who are jealous, do not put in the hours....
I have been looking on and off for about a dozen varieties. I have looked at hundreds/thousands of pictures and not found any. I have purchased a couple dozen lots that looked like they had potential, but were not the special one. A couple hundred hours of effort later, I am still looking off and on.
Those people who are jealous, do not put in the hours.... >>
<< <i>I cannot believe the attention this has garnered. I personally love reading cherry picking posts. They are very informative and fun to read. I personally will continue to post my cherry picks. The unwarranted blow back on the OP of this thread is fuel for my fire to stick it to the punks that cannot enjoy a nice thing without spewing their filth upon it. The only thing I would recommend is not posting direct links to the source of the pick as I did. I made a mistake that I did not anticipate would blow up the way it has. I have learned from this. But, to defend my actions the auction had been done and over with for some time. The only reason I found the listing, was my search for completed auctions with a specific search criteria, resulted in very few matches.
My 1919 DDO Mercury dime was the result of a cherry pick. Not on eBay, but at a local show. The dealer whom I bought it from, was one of those negative "everything goes wrong for me" types. Before I had even looked at his folders of dimes, I had been looking at slabbed coins in his case. Every coin I expressed interest in came with a "I'm gonna take a loss on that one" "It should have graded higher, but what can I do" or "I had one not long ago just like that, and the guy who bought it resubmitted it and it got bumped up". I really didn't like listening to the wining. I had considered purchasing a couple of the nicer coins I looked at, but decided I didn't need them. So I went off looking at other dealers tables. After a couple of hours of looking around, I decided I'd look at Mercury Dimes, specifically for the recent 1919 DDO. After a purchase of a nice AU example showing some nice MD, I visited Mr. Negative's table again. I opened his book, and he had 4 examples of a 1919-P. The first was a G, the second a VG, the third a F and the last one to look at was the EF example. I could barely believe I found it so easily after looking at literally only 6 coins. I thought maybe it was a fairly common variety. But my thought was, wow this guy really does have bad luck. Maybe he just brings it upon himself by not learning about his coins. Maybe he should work on his grading skills instead of crying poor me to all of his customers. Maybe he should just not be a dealer. So to make it fair, I handed him the coin and asked him how much he want's for it. This gave him the opportunity to examine it once more before the sale. He quoted a price 30% lower than the price marked on it. I said "I'll take it". Point of all this is that being an informed purchaser puts you in a position of power. Being an informed Seller put's you at the top of the food chain. Being an uninformed seller puts you at risk of being eaten alive. If you want to pursue a career as a dealer, educate yourself. If you call yourself an expert in a series and you let something by you, it's YOUR fault, not the savvy buyer. Bring your "A" game or go home. Those of us who play, play for keeps.
Life is an eat or be eaten scenario. Society has become far to consumed with the feelings of a few being hurt, that they are willing to put the feelings of all the others aside without thought to consequences. If you don't think life is fair, go live as a hermit or just end it. Power to the people who want to enrich their lives with wisdom, I applaud you. Shame on those who only want to wine about how unfair everything is. You have a choice. Choose..... I have...
Rant over.. Bring on your cherry picking stories, I'll grab some popcorn... >>
<< <i>mbogoman, you have many times asked others to help report sellers on alleged fake coins, so in a way, you are doing the same thing that ticked you off! >>
Huh??? Not even close to a good analogy. Not even Apples and Oranges, more like Apples and Potatoes. Alleged fakes? I only report bona-fide 100% counterfeits, the no doubters. They are easy and obvious to detect. If you can't see that the ones I report are fakes, then you need to go back to school. Protecting the hobby from the scammers is in no way related to cherry-picking.
I live by the "buy high and sell low" when a trail can be left behind for all to see. It is sad that I have to be less than honest sometimes to avoid grief because of ex cross walk guards, hall monitors, safety boys, lunch room watchers that have no business in my business.
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<< <i> Protecting the hobby from the scammers is in no way related to cherry-picking. >>
No doubt some of these sellers do not know it is a fake, and you are also "protecting" would be buyers from getting screwed. I guess you should also protect unknowing sellers from getting screwed if you are going to carry the ethical torch here.
Let the marketplace remain free, like it is supposed to be. That way you don't look like a hypocrite. I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.
I still don't agree with telling a seller they got screwed either! The free marketplace will work itself out as it has for centuries.
<<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo.
As to the OP scenario... it's a shame someone interfered in your business but unfortunately things like that happen a lot more often than we think, particularly when it comes to eBay deals. Whoever it was that contacted the seller should not have interfered regardless of their motivation (in this case I'd bet money that they were simply ticked off that they missed out and wanted to cause you grief out of jealousy). Short of a confession it would be next to impossible to determine whether the offender was/is a member here, but I would hope that the folks here have at least enough of a modicum of class and respect for others that they wouldn't do such a thing.
It's common knowledge that I'm no big fan of pickers, for reasons already stated elsewhere on various picking-related threads (in short, as a dealer my experience is they waste a lot of time and virtually never buy anything)...but regardless, I think that no one should interfere in the business dealings of another, PERIOD. EVER. I don't care what they're buying or selling, whether it's a rarity or not, or how much is being paid...if it's not your deal you should stay the hell out of it.
All that said, I wouldn't be all that sad if the number of look-at-me threads about cherrypicks went down. I realize that it's human nature to be proud of one's successes, but to the pickers out there... by going online and showing off your "scores" you are only hurting yourself with potential problems including possibly losing out on sources of future acquisitions.
Just my 2.5 cents' worth...
Edit to add- I do report obvious fakes on ebay. I don't look at that as interference; I look at it as cleaning up the hobby. But that's not the same as sticking one's nose in the middle of someone else's buy.
A fake is a fake. Buying one, whether it is sold that way intentionally, or not, is bad for the hobby and the selling of it is, to my knowledge, against the law anyway. Education of the seller, if they don't know it, can be helpful, if done in the right way.
To even compare the 2 things here is just sour grapes or wanting to jump on someone. Better to not say anything than to be petty like that.
Free markets are great, as long as they are legit. A bullion type deal, particularly from what would appear to be a knowledgeable seller, where, at a worst case scenario, the purchaser is getting the LEGIT coins that are being bid on. This is the one thing that is completely different than calling fakes part of a free market.
I'd make a deal with the seller: Say that you'll tell him what PCGS grades it if he tells you the username of the ebayer who tipped him off. That's a win-win for everyone.
I used to use IE to list on eBay and it's a POS. It likes to jump up to the top of the page and doesn't take all you type in.
So I list a $20 Saint for $1500 BIN + $12 S/H.
Two minutes later I get 3 emails. The top is a PP payment for $27, the next was s notification that I sold it for $15 and the first was a guy telling me it's listed for $15 and he wants a reward for telling me instead of doing a BIN.
I just refunded the $27 without explaining and relisted it. I got a defect, but no FB. I guess he didn't really expect to get it for $15.
And I just ignored the clown who wanted the reward.
-A stupid buyer, who can't identify a fake, should be protected.
-A stupid seller who can't identify a valuable coin, should be exploited.
If you are going to report one, you should report the other. If you don't report any of them, at least you are not talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Ahh, let me rock the boat here a bit. I think any collector who cherrypicks a coin either from E-Bay, a Dealer or an auction is doing exactly what collectors should do. Use what they've learned to advance their collection at a reduced price. In many cases, varieties, vams and the like are of little consequence and the Seller wouldn't mind being picked anyway, until it amounts to big money.
While most Dealers were at one point collectors themselves, broadcasting a cherrypick just leads to sour grapes. To many, Dealers (and I don't know if OP is one or not) have a higher standard to uphold. I think (in a limited sense) Dealers should use their knowledge to teach and above all else lead by example when it comes to honesty. That may be the factor here. I don't know.
In this case OP was outed through no fault of his own, until he fessed up that he was the buyer. That someone (apparently more than 1) would go to the trouble of locating and notifying the Seller of his loss speaks to the unsavory way we treat one another in American society. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by such an act.
Those who post significant cherrypicks, while receiving accolades from some are leaving themselves open to the backbiting others think is necessary. Unfortunately the best policy might be to celebrate silently.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
<< <i>In this case OP was outed through no fault of his own, until he fessed up that he was the buyer. >>
The buyer and the OP are two different people. Please don't confuse the two. The buyer did not post the cherry-pick, the OP did. After the thread was established and rolling, the buyer identified himself. The contacting of the seller was done independent of the buyer's actions.
<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
All collectable coins are sort of cherry picks. They started out at face value. Anyone who doesn't get that should take their collection and try tracing it back to whoever last passed each coin at face value and give it back to that person.
<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
-A stupid buyer, who can't identify a fake, should be protected.
-A stupid seller who can't identify a valuable coin, should be exploited.
If you are going to report one, you should report the other. If you don't report any of them, at least you are not talking out of both sides of your mouth. >>
Here, I'll help you understand. Stop being so negative and take things at face value. The verbiage you use is notably negative and that colors perception.
A buyer who doesn't know better (buying from pictures on the internet, trusting someone, hasn't learned all the nuances of fakes, etc) SHOULD be protected from an unknowing, or unscrupulous seller. YES. Selling fakes, particularly as the real thing, regardless of doing it knowingly or not, IS ILLEGAL, right?
A seller who has bulked coins together, doesn't take the time to figure things out, or can't, has made a conscious choice to do so, right? They are selling for the value they feel it has. To purchase from them, for the requested price (or for a true auction), is NOT exploitation.
Now, if the above doesn't "help you understand" as you requested, I don't think anything will; if you truly wanted help understanding rather than talking about both sides of your mouth....
Kind of sounds like you may have been one of the ones to contact the seller with the way you feel about this and for how you tried to call mbogoman out for reporting fakes previously. Wouldn't put it past you given your conduct around here.
<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
You need to read a little closer. >>
Apologies...that's what I get for skimming a post while at work.
<<First, he'd need to be capable of doing so.>>
Really OIB? That's the best you have? I'm disappointed.
I would just forget it and move on. I happened to me once. Once you put information or pictures out in the public domain via the internet no telling were it will go or how it will be used. Hows about Donald Trump putting out Senator Lindsay Graham's phone number at one of his recent rallies? Heard that Graham then had to destroy his cellphone -- this is on you've if you care to watch. Just move along and move on.
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Your skill and knowledge allowed you to pick that beauty out of that auction and you should be proud you had the knowledge to do so.
There will always be those self described "hall monitors" and they will never go away.
Just let it go and know that just about everyone, myself included, cheer for you on your cherry pick.
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<< <i>To all: many thanks for your support and kind words, but I think we should let this one die now. Everything that could have been said has been said. My original intent for this thread was to remind everyone that there are still disgruntled rats out there, ready to cause problems at the first chance they get. This fact has been acknowledged umpteen times already, I don't think there is any disagreement there. The rat knows who he is, and should know by now that if he ever slips up and accidentally reveals his persona, there is an army of us waiting with torches and pitchforks...
Fortunately I have the coin in hand, and after all, that's the important thing.
Cheers,
Jim >>
Congrat's. This forum is littered with a ton of ex safety boys and hall monitors. Jealousy rears its ugly head here.................again
Mark >>
That made me spit up my lemonade. So true.
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You did nothing unethical and simply purchased merchandise that someone, who presumably has the requisite knowledge to sell, offered for sale. Good work and good eye.
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<< <i>Personally, I would never list major scores on the coin forum, as the coin community is rather small and well-connected. Nothing good could come of it. >>
This.
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I love learning about coins and what to look for while cherry picking. Sometimes those tidbits of information pay off.
I personally would never undermine another's fortunate finds. Rather, I would be motivated to go out and hunt for my own cherry pick and quietly say thank you to those that shared generously and gave me the knowledge to do so.
So, thank you to those that have the knowledge, the integrity, and the generosity that most of our forum members possess!
<< <i>Personally, I would never list major scores on the coin forum... >>
I sure would, but then again there is about a 0.00001% chance of that ever happening
Sure, we can all assume that it was someone with a big mouth who possibly had an agenda but what if it was a personal thing and because he talks with this seller on a regular basis and this individual has always been a straight up guy. And let's not forget, it was a done deal and only a matter of not making the same mistake again. Why not pass the word? You're kidding yourselves if you believe this should not ever happen. If the seller thinks he's owed something, he's mistaken, it's sour grapes on him and not the individual(s) who felt they had an obligation to do so because they might consider this seller a friend.
Leo
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Some people are just not happy unless they are fiddling and diddling with someone else's stuff.I wouldn't tell a soul here where if I were to make a great cherry pick on ebay.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
mbogoman, you have many times asked others to help report sellers on alleged fake coins, so in a way, you are doing the same thing that ticked you off!
I have been looking on and off for about a dozen varieties. I have looked at hundreds/thousands of pictures and not found any. I have purchased a couple dozen lots that looked like they had potential, but were not the special one. A couple hundred hours of effort later, I am still looking off and on.
Those people who are jealous, do not put in the hours....
<< <i>congrats on successful find
I have been looking on and off for about a dozen varieties. I have looked at hundreds/thousands of pictures and not found any. I have purchased a couple dozen lots that looked like they had potential, but were not the special one. A couple hundred hours of effort later, I am still looking off and on.
Those people who are jealous, do not put in the hours.... >>
<< <i>I cannot believe the attention this has garnered. I personally love reading cherry picking posts. They are very informative and fun to read. I personally will continue to post my cherry picks. The unwarranted blow back on the OP of this thread is fuel for my fire to stick it to the punks that cannot enjoy a nice thing without spewing their filth upon it. The only thing I would recommend is not posting direct links to the source of the pick as I did. I made a mistake that I did not anticipate would blow up the way it has. I have learned from this. But, to defend my actions the auction had been done and over with for some time. The only reason I found the listing, was my search for completed auctions with a specific search criteria, resulted in very few matches.
My 1919 DDO Mercury dime was the result of a cherry pick. Not on eBay, but at a local show. The dealer whom I bought it from, was one of those negative "everything goes wrong for me" types. Before I had even looked at his folders of dimes, I had been looking at slabbed coins in his case. Every coin I expressed interest in came with a "I'm gonna take a loss on that one" "It should have graded higher, but what can I do" or "I had one not long ago just like that, and the guy who bought it resubmitted it and it got bumped up". I really didn't like listening to the wining. I had considered purchasing a couple of the nicer coins I looked at, but decided I didn't need them. So I went off looking at other dealers tables. After a couple of hours of looking around, I decided I'd look at Mercury Dimes, specifically for the recent 1919 DDO. After a purchase of a nice AU example showing some nice MD, I visited Mr. Negative's table again. I opened his book, and he had 4 examples of a 1919-P. The first was a G, the second a VG, the third a F and the last one to look at was the EF example. I could barely believe I found it so easily after looking at literally only 6 coins. I thought maybe it was a fairly common variety. But my thought was, wow this guy really does have bad luck. Maybe he just brings it upon himself by not learning about his coins. Maybe he should work on his grading skills instead of crying poor me to all of his customers. Maybe he should just not be a dealer. So to make it fair, I handed him the coin and asked him how much he want's for it. This gave him the opportunity to examine it once more before the sale. He quoted a price 30% lower than the price marked on it. I said "I'll take it". Point of all this is that being an informed purchaser puts you in a position of power. Being an informed Seller put's you at the top of the food chain. Being an uninformed seller puts you at risk of being eaten alive. If you want to pursue a career as a dealer, educate yourself. If you call yourself an expert in a series and you let something by you, it's YOUR fault, not the savvy buyer. Bring your "A" game or go home. Those of us who play, play for keeps.
Life is an eat or be eaten scenario. Society has become far to consumed with the feelings of a few being hurt, that they are willing to put the feelings of all the others aside without thought to consequences. If you don't think life is fair, go live as a hermit or just end it. Power to the people who want to enrich their lives with wisdom, I applaud you. Shame on those who only want to wine about how unfair everything is. You have a choice. Choose..... I have...
Rant over.. Bring on your cherry picking stories, I'll grab some popcorn... >>
I 100% AGREE!!!!
Whoever informed the seller is likely jealous that they didn't find it first...
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<< <i>mbogoman, you have many times asked others to help report sellers on alleged fake coins, so in a way, you are doing the same thing that ticked you off! >>
Huh??? Not even close to a good analogy. Not even Apples and Oranges, more like Apples and Potatoes. Alleged fakes? I only report bona-fide 100% counterfeits, the no doubters. They are easy and obvious to detect. If you can't see that the ones I report are fakes, then you need to go back to school. Protecting the hobby from the scammers is in no way related to cherry-picking.
mbogoman
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<< <i>Sounds like you got Glickered. >>
LOL!
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<< <i> Protecting the hobby from the scammers is in no way related to cherry-picking. >>
No doubt some of these sellers do not know it is a fake, and you are also "protecting" would be buyers from getting screwed. I guess you should also protect unknowing sellers from getting screwed if you are going to carry the ethical torch here.
Let the marketplace remain free, like it is supposed to be. That way you don't look like a hypocrite. I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.
I still don't agree with telling a seller they got screwed either! The free marketplace will work itself out as it has for centuries.
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo.
As to the OP scenario... it's a shame someone interfered in your business but unfortunately things like that happen a lot more often than we think, particularly when it comes to eBay deals.
Whoever it was that contacted the seller should not have interfered regardless of their motivation (in this case I'd bet money that they were simply ticked off that they missed out and wanted to cause you grief out of jealousy). Short of a confession it would be next to impossible to determine whether the offender was/is a member here, but I would hope that the folks here have at least enough of a modicum of class and respect for others that they wouldn't do such a thing.
It's common knowledge that I'm no big fan of pickers, for reasons already stated elsewhere on various picking-related threads (in short, as a dealer my experience is they waste a lot of time and virtually never buy anything)...but regardless, I think that no one should interfere in the business dealings of another, PERIOD. EVER. I don't care what they're buying or selling, whether it's a rarity or not, or how much is being paid...if it's not your deal you should stay the hell out of it.
All that said, I wouldn't be all that sad if the number of look-at-me threads about cherrypicks went down. I realize that it's human nature to be proud of one's successes, but to the pickers out there... by going online and showing off your "scores" you are only hurting yourself with potential problems including possibly losing out on sources of future acquisitions.
Just my 2.5 cents' worth...
Edit to add- I do report obvious fakes on ebay. I don't look at that as interference; I look at it as cleaning up the hobby. But that's not the same as sticking one's nose in the middle of someone else's buy.
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I agree with Mbogoman on that.
A fake is a fake. Buying one, whether it is sold that way intentionally, or not, is bad for the hobby and the selling of it is, to my knowledge, against the law anyway.
Education of the seller, if they don't know it, can be helpful, if done in the right way.
To even compare the 2 things here is just sour grapes or wanting to jump on someone. Better to not say anything than to be petty like that.
Free markets are great, as long as they are legit. A bullion type deal, particularly from what would appear to be a knowledgeable seller, where, at a worst case scenario, the purchaser is getting the LEGIT coins that are being bid on. This is the one thing that is completely different than calling fakes part of a free market.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>If I were you I would offer the eBay seller $100 to oust the hater and then I would hang 'em high right here in this thread for all to see! >>
great idea!
So I list a $20 Saint for $1500 BIN + $12 S/H.
Two minutes later I get 3 emails. The top is a PP payment for $27, the next was s notification that I sold it for $15 and the first was a guy telling me it's listed for $15 and he wants a reward for telling me instead of doing a BIN.
I just refunded the $27 without explaining and relisted it. I got a defect, but no FB. I guess he didn't really expect to get it for $15.
And I just ignored the clown who wanted the reward.
Help me understand:
-A stupid buyer, who can't identify a fake, should be protected.
-A stupid seller who can't identify a valuable coin, should be exploited.
If you are going to report one, you should report the other. If you don't report any of them, at least you are not talking out of both sides of your mouth.
While most Dealers were at one point collectors themselves, broadcasting a cherrypick just leads to sour grapes. To many, Dealers (and I don't know if OP is one or not) have a higher standard to uphold. I think (in a limited sense) Dealers should use their knowledge to teach and above all else lead by example when it comes to honesty. That may be the factor here. I don't know.
In this case OP was outed through no fault of his own, until he fessed up that he was the buyer. That someone (apparently more than 1) would go to the trouble of locating and notifying the Seller of his loss speaks to the unsavory way we treat one another in American society. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by such an act.
Those who post significant cherrypicks, while receiving accolades from some are leaving themselves open to the backbiting others think is necessary. Unfortunately the best policy might be to celebrate silently.
<< <i>In this case OP was outed through no fault of his own, until he fessed up that he was the buyer. >>
The buyer and the OP are two different people. Please don't confuse the two. The buyer did not post the cherry-pick, the OP did. After the thread was established and rolling, the buyer identified himself. The contacting of the seller was done independent of the buyer's actions.
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<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
You need to read a little closer.
Anyone who doesn't get that should take their collection and try tracing it back to whoever last passed each coin at face value and give it back to that person.
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<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
You need to read a little closer.
First, he'd need to be capable of doing so.
<< <i>Sounds like you got Glickered. >>
<< <i>Help me understand:
-A stupid buyer, who can't identify a fake, should be protected.
-A stupid seller who can't identify a valuable coin, should be exploited.
If you are going to report one, you should report the other. If you don't report any of them, at least you are not talking out of both sides of your mouth. >>
Here, I'll help you understand. Stop being so negative and take things at face value. The verbiage you use is notably negative and that colors perception.
A buyer who doesn't know better (buying from pictures on the internet, trusting someone, hasn't learned all the nuances of fakes, etc) SHOULD be protected from an unknowing, or unscrupulous seller. YES. Selling fakes, particularly as the real thing, regardless of doing it knowingly or not, IS ILLEGAL, right?
A seller who has bulked coins together, doesn't take the time to figure things out, or can't, has made a conscious choice to do so, right? They are selling for the value they feel it has. To purchase from them, for the requested price (or for a true auction), is NOT exploitation.
Now, if the above doesn't "help you understand" as you requested, I don't think anything will; if you truly wanted help understanding rather than talking about both sides of your mouth....
Kind of sounds like you may have been one of the ones to contact the seller with the way you feel about this and for how you tried to call mbogoman out for reporting fakes previously. Wouldn't put it past you given your conduct around here.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
"notifying the Seller of his loss speaks to the unsavory way we treat one another on this coin forum."
There, fixed it for you...
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<< <i><<I won't do the ethical thing as long as I profit from it.>>
Wow. Just...wow. SMH. Points for honesty at least- but anyone who legitimately thinks this way just lost their right to complain about the ethics of others imo. >>
You need to read a little closer.
Apologies...that's what I get for skimming a post while at work.
<<First, he'd need to be capable of doing so.>>
Really OIB? That's the best you have? I'm disappointed.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Hoard the keys.
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"Apples & Potatoes"
I like that. And TGIF, too.
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