If I Told You This Coin Returned as VF35... ACTUAL GRADE POSTED

BustHalfBrian · June 22, 2015 3:20PM

TopographicOceans · June 22, 2015 3:59PM

Not quite slaughtered, but I think the reverse held it back.

lasvegasteddy · June 22, 2015 4:05PM

one very sweet crusty example there
<<< in the xf40 crowd

this is a tough series on those xf to au grades

grade is kinda mute as this one....has the look

so uh by the way
is this some high urs overton # that we're looking at?

BustHalfBrian · June 22, 2015 4:32PM

<< one very sweet crusty example there
<<< in the xf40 crowd

this is a tough series on those xf to au grades

grade is kinda mute as this one....has the look

so uh by the way
is this some high urs overton # that we're looking at? >>

It is O.103, the "Over Various Dates" variety.

lasvegasteddy · June 22, 2015 4:35PM

<< It is O.103, the "Over Various Dates" variety. >>

one sweet example of it then

lordmarcovan · June 22, 2015 6:21PM

I voted "right on the money". I agree with VF35, but would not argue vehemently if it squeaked by as XF40, either.

Edit- upon recoinsideration, I'll join the 40 camp. It's right there on the 35/40 cusp, to my eye, but I think it makes it. So far the majority of poll respondents seem to think so, anyway.

USMarine6 · June 22, 2015 8:02PM

It looks just as good if not better than my XF40 example

astrorat · June 22, 2015 9:03PM

Gotta be nicer than a VF

ms70 · June 22, 2015 9:11PM

I'd go with 45.

oih82w8 · June 22, 2015 10:04PM

Looks lie a 40 to 45 to me...I have been wrong before. Nice looking bustie!

...and I really like the overdate!

amwldcoin · June 22, 2015 10:10PM

I like it as a 40. You are experiencing PCGS's dislike of nice crusty original coins. The sad part is if you dip that coin and the luster is there you would probably get a 45 or 50!

maibockaddict · June 22, 2015 10:17PM

Compare it to the coins on Heritage. Coins like this have been getting 40 or 45 grades in the past. I would love the coin as a 40, and it looks like it may have the luster for a 45.

I also am in the camp of crusty original coins have been getting no love when being graded ....

BillJones · June 22, 2015 11:29PM

I don't know why collectors are so hell bent on "dumbing down" the EF-40 grade. It is not to YOUR advantage to do so.

The VF grade covers from VF-20, which is fairly worn coin to VF-35 which is a near miss from EF-40. There are coins that fit that category, and this is one them. The reverse is too weak to be a VF and the strike on the obverse is not outstanding.

lkeigwin · June 22, 2015 11:44PM

It's a solid XF by today's grading standards.
Lance.

Wabbit2313 · June 22, 2015 11:55PM

I'll pick the "you got the shaft" category!

Vbowling299 · June 22, 2015 11:57PM

Makes me a little nervous after seeing these last two threads as i just sent out a bunch of crusty original coins

LanLord · June 23, 2015 12:10AM

I have examples (different dates) with less meat on them in higher grades from both of the top two major companies.

Now, different DMs and some dates can be that way, but this really looks XF to me.

Awesome coin.

indeetlib · June 23, 2015 12:15AM

Looks like a no-brainer XF to me.

scubafuel · June 23, 2015 12:18AM

XF40 to me, though I think it'd only green sticker if sent to CAC. It's a great looking coin.

david3142 · June 23, 2015 12:25AM

I was on the fence between 40 and 45, but leaning toward the latter, which is what I voted.

asheland · June 23, 2015 1:36AM

I'd guess XF40
They were tight.
Nice coin!

jayPem · June 23, 2015 2:08AM

1824/various is another notorious one for having really weak obverse details. You've got to grade the reverse and go from there I'd say...
This one I'd call 40 easy.
PCGS 45 bust halves have got to be pretty great these days to get the grade.

mozin · June 23, 2015 8:37AM

I have no problem with calling this coin a PCGS40. Heck of a nice example.

coin22lover · June 23, 2015 9:05AM

I really think that is an XF all day long. Regardless, the coin should sell its self if that's where you're going with it.

coinkat · June 23, 2015 9:11AM

I see it as a 40

123cents · June 23, 2015 9:38AM

Should be XF-40.

DIMEMAN · June 23, 2015 10:43AM

I voted 40 and really like the coin.

winky · June 23, 2015 11:34AM

I voted 35 altho it is very pretty.

Walkerfan · June 23, 2015 2:11PM

Definitely an XF 40 and maybe a 45.

GoBust · June 23, 2015 2:21PM

I would think xf45 all day and night. The reverse might be borderline au. The obverse as struck for a 103 held back the grader this time imho. In any case a lovely original coin.

golden · June 24, 2015 1:13AM

I will go with 40.

shorecoll · June 24, 2015 1:48AM

I think the reverse is a classic 40, I thought gradeflation put those all in 45 slabs, so I voted that way. I really like it as a 40.

BustHalfBrian · June 24, 2015 3:20PM

Thanks everyone who voted or commented. The coin is PCGS VF35, previously NGC XF40. I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS. Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed with their assessment. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try out the new Reconsideration service...

Barndog · June 24, 2015 3:57PM

Crack and resubmit raw. That's what I'd do

TopographicOceans · June 24, 2015 4:03PM

<< Crack and resubmit raw. That's what I'd do >>

roadrunner · June 25, 2015 12:18AM

I voted VF35. There was something in the coloration/smoothness of the left obv field that suggested to me the coin had seen "something" in its past. Just a gut feeling that all wasn't just right. The softness in strike doesn't help. If NGC graded it XF40 at any time in the past 15 years then PCGS VF35 is a reasonable outcome. Whatever PCGS saw, NGC apparently saw the same thing and netted it down.

In any case this coin probably sells for XF money any ways. And if you can get a gold sticker on it....XF45 money.

LanLord · June 25, 2015 12:35AM

<< Thanks everyone who voted or commented. The coin is PCGS VF35, previously NGC XF40. I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS. Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed with their assessment. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try out the new Reconsideration service...

>>

If you're disappointed with the plastic, sell it.
I'd be thrilled with that coin, no matter what the tag on it says.

Kove · June 25, 2015 4:25AM

I voted VF35, but if you're not happy I'd crack it and send in raw. Definitely a chance at 40, but I don't see a 45 in the photos.

VanHalen · June 25, 2015 6:18AM

<< Thanks everyone who voted or commented. The coin is PCGS VF35, previously NGC XF40. I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS. Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed with their assessment. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try out the new Reconsideration service...

>>

I don't think you got totally hosed at 35 but agree with NGC's assessment at 40. You said, "I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS". Why did you think it would upgrade to 45 or 50?

BustHalfBrian · June 25, 2015 6:36AM

<< 

<< Thanks everyone who voted or commented. The coin is PCGS VF35, previously NGC XF40. I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS. Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed with their assessment. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try out the new Reconsideration service...

>>

If you're disappointed with the plastic, sell it.
I'd be thrilled with that coin, no matter what the tag on it says. >>

That's silly; why would I sell the coin, which I am quite fond of mind you, if I don't like the plastic?

Michael4692 · June 25, 2015 6:36AM

I think it looks AU. You got hosed. Resubmit at PCGS.

BustHalfBrian · June 25, 2015 6:38AM

<< 

<< Thanks everyone who voted or commented. The coin is PCGS VF35, previously NGC XF40. I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS. Needless to say, I am extremely disappointed with their assessment. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to try out the new Reconsideration service...

>>

I don't think you got totally hosed at 35 but agree with NGC's assessment at 40. You said, "I didn't think it would go less than XF45 at PCGS". Why did you think it would upgrade to 45 or 50? >>

I showed it to other Bust half experts before submitting to PCGS; everyone agreed it was at least XF+.

Just because it got a lower grade at NGC does not mean it can't upgrade at PCGS.

coinkat · June 25, 2015 7:11AM

VF35 is unfortunate.

keets · June 25, 2015 7:23AM

wow, PCGS and NGC both got it wrong but at the forum grading from a picture the members get it right, right?? I am more confused than ever(not really).

okiedude · June 25, 2015 7:26AM

A classic case of the TPG's not taking into account the different subtleties of the die varieties, especially in CBH's, which Jordy said more eloquently than I.
I have no problem with it being a 40, but I am only an amateur. If you ever get tired of it Brian, let me know

lkeigwin · June 25, 2015 7:47AM

Submit it for regrading, or crack and send in raw, but certainly not for reconsideration.

Reconsideration involves a premium if it upgrades and is used when the owner wants to keep the coin in the same plastic (rattler, e.g.) if it can't upgrade. Graders are conservative because they're making judgment calls on coins inside holders (partly obscured).

Regrade is an automatic crack out, with PCGS's guarantee the coin won't downgrade (or a payout will be made). Graders see the raw coins.

I recently regraded all my XF45-AU55 bust halves. None went done. More than 25% upgraded. Almost 50% of my AU55's upgraded. I believe you get a fair shake with a regrade.
Lance.

okiedude · June 25, 2015 10:42AM

Good information, thanks Lance.

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