(updated) 100k Pogue coin for sale raw on Ebay

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 9:30PM

I pulled the trigger on this, but haven't paid yet.

http://media.stacksbowers.com/poguecollection/pogue-part-one-112.html

Auction photos:

Additional photos the seller sent me:

Coinfacts:

Nap · June 11, 2015 9:51PM

The coin you showed is the exact same coin as the Coinfacts coin.

It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned.

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 9:53PM

<< The coin you showed is the exact same coin as the Coinfacts coin.

It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned. >>

Oh wow, looking at the toning pattern, I think you're actually right...wow! This is very odd. I don't know what to make out of this.

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 9:58PM

Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia?

CircOnly · June 11, 2015 9:59PM

<< Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>

That's what I was thinking.

Either way, too many red flags for me.

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 10:02PM

True, but if that's the case, I need to get it and find the owner.

amwldcoin · June 11, 2015 10:03PM

<< Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>

Aren't you jumping to conclusions thinking it was stolen? There are quite a few Russian buyers who attend the Baltimore show that regularly spend over 5 figures on US coins to sell in Russia! There are also some well heeled Russians who are serious collectors and buy serious coins! I would say from the other crude pictures the seller does have the coin. Now whether it makes it across the pond remains to be seen!

CircOnly · June 11, 2015 10:12PM

<< 

<< Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>

Aren't you jumping to conclusions thinking it was stolen? There are quite a few Russian buyers who attend the Baltimore show that regularly spend over 5 figures on US coins to sell in Russia! There are also some well heeled Russians who are serious collectors and buy serious coins! I would say from the other crude pictures the seller does have the coin. Now whether it makes it across the pond remains to be seen! >>

Considering the asking price, I think it's fair to assume that it might have been stolen. If a collector was that serious buying a 5 figure coin, they surely wouldn't sell it for $500. At least I wouldn't think so.

291fifth · June 11, 2015 10:12PM

When the red flags are flying it is time to just step away.

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 10:23PM

Wow! It's a Pogue coin that Stack's just sold.

http://media.stacksbowers.com/poguecollection/pogue-part-one-112.html

Nap · June 11, 2015 10:35PM

<< 

<< The coin you showed is the exact same coin as the Coinfacts coin.

It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned. >>

Oh wow, looking at the toning pattern, I think you're actually right...wow! This is very odd. I don't know what to make out of this. >>

Can't prove it's the same exact coin of course without in-hand examination. But the toning seems identical and the marks as well.

Nap · June 11, 2015 10:36PM

I'm not convinced the coin is raw either

CircOnly · June 11, 2015 10:39PM

<< I'm not convinced the coin is raw either >>

Those photos do look photo-shopped. Like the coin is floating on the background.

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 10:41PM

Which set of pictures are you doubting? The one sitting on the desk?

Nap · June 11, 2015 10:42PM

<< Which set of pictures are you doubting? The one sitting on the desk? >>

Yes. Probably the photo is a cell phone shot of the coin up for auction

amwldcoin · June 11, 2015 10:45PM

This will be interesting! If it is the Pogue coin I highly doubt it has been stolen. Makes one wonder of all the deceptive possibilities! I stand by my earlier post on the info given and no I didn't go try to snoop it out on the bay!

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 10:50PM

Well this is just bizarre. The more I look at this, the more I'm convinced it's the same coin. Either it's stolen, or someone in Russia was able to take pictures of it when it was raw and pretend that they just now took them (the desk photos were done at my request).

Sunshine Rare Coins · June 11, 2015 10:53PM

It's not the pogue coin! It's a photoshop!

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 10:57PM

<< It's not the pogue coin! It's a photoshop! >>

Are you certain? Is there something specific?

PerryHall · June 11, 2015 11:00PM

Can we get a link to the eBay auction? Sounds like an obvious scam.

CaptHenway · June 11, 2015 11:01PM

Look at the lighting on the reverse on the auction photo. The stars, the center of the arc of clouds and the eagle right (viewer's right) claw. All were lit from underneath, with the light source at 6 o'clock..

The pictures of the coin on the desk both show the same lighting highlights, and yet the shadow of the coin falls to the lower right. Proof that it is photoshopped.

TD

CircOnly · June 11, 2015 11:09PM

<< This will be interesting! If it is the Pogue coin I highly doubt it has been stolen. Makes one wonder of all the deceptive possibilities! I stand by my earlier post on the info given and no I didn't go try to snoop it out on the bay!

>>

To my defense, I didn't snoop it either. Coin22 had a link to the auction before the edits where I saw the asking price.

messydesk · June 11, 2015 11:09PM

Since the auction was so recent, perhaps Stacksbowers could be of use here in checking up on the buyer to make sure the coin hasn't been stolen.

joebb21 · June 11, 2015 11:27PM

weird.

Definitely the same coin...

LindeDad · June 11, 2015 11:39PM

Am I the only one not seeing a auction link to eBay?
Knowing that site is always infallible and nobody would dare run a scam on there.

DAM · June 11, 2015 11:49PM

The seller is sitting somewhere reading this thread saying... pull the trigger!, pull the trigger!

Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all.

Pretty obvious scam, to me.

messydesk · June 11, 2015 11:55PM

<< Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>

But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from?

coin22lover · June 11, 2015 11:57PM

<< 

<< Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>

But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from? >>

Very good question. This is a pretty sophisticated scam! There's a lot I didn't notice (lighting, etc.) until it was pointed out here by the forum detectives.

mercurydimeguy · June 12, 2015 12:00AM

Photoshop.

Ask seller to send you a photo of him or her holding the coin sideways.

PerryHall · June 12, 2015 12:07AM

The seller is in Russia, he has a 100% feedback rating based on only a total of 4 small purchases, and he's selling a very expensive coin for a small fraction of what it's worth. I see more red flags than what you'd see at a May Day parade.

GoBust · June 12, 2015 12:08AM

I was the high bidder on this coin in Pogue, the listing is definitely bogus.

PerryHall · June 12, 2015 12:08AM

If you want to have some fun, offer him $450.

coin22lover · June 12, 2015 12:10AM

<< I was the high bidder on this coin in Pogue, the listing is definitely bogus. >>

Good to know. Earlier, I was beginning to think that I might be collecting a reward here soon. Stellar coin, by the way.

DAM · June 12, 2015 12:14AM

<< 
<< Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>

But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from? >>

My guess is here, IMO. Lighting/shadowing looks the same too.

amwldcoin · June 12, 2015 12:55AM

<< 

<< This will be interesting! If it is the Pogue coin I highly doubt it has been stolen. Makes one wonder of all the deceptive possibilities! I stand by my earlier post on the info given and no I didn't go try to snoop it out on the bay!

>>

To my defense, I didn't snoop it either. Coin22 had a link to the auction before the edits where I saw the asking price. >>

LOL!

Nothing to defend!

WoodenJefferson · June 12, 2015 1:41AM

After they get a non-payment, will they try and sell it again or offer it to the next highest shill bidder?

MonsterCoinz · June 12, 2015 3:18AM

It's very easy to tilt or angle an image with a couple of Adobe programs. Very poor job.

coindeuce · June 12, 2015 10:53AM

<< 

<< I'm not convinced the coin is raw either >>

Those photos do look photo-shopped. Like the coin is floating on the background. >>

+1.

lkeigwin · June 13, 2015 9:09AM

The source for the additional photos sent by the scam artist is the slab. Find the slab images and you will find these photos.

It is common practice for the front of the slab to be shot with lighting from above (10 - 2 o'clock) and then the slab turned like a page from a book and the reverse shot (TPG label and hologram right side up but coin upside down, with lighting appearing to come from below).

The lowlife working the rip-off circle-cropped the coin in the slab, resized it to be the same size as some other coin image and pasted it on top. He goofed by not turning the reverse upside down so the desk shadow made sense.
Lance.

TopographicOceans · June 13, 2015 9:55AM

He's got another one if you are interested

felinfoel · June 14, 2015 3:12AM

<< He's got another one if you are interested

>>

Here's the same coin on CoinFacts.com

HCumberdale · June 14, 2015 2:17PM

I won his latest 1806 half. Left a negative FB for him, and reported his next 2 auctions. Ebay finally got rid of him...

(updated) 100k Pogue coin for sale raw on Ebay

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