(updated) 100k Pogue coin for sale raw on Ebay
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I pulled the trigger on this, but haven't paid yet.
http://media.stacksbowers.com/poguecollection/pogue-part-one-112.html
Auction photos:
Additional photos the seller sent me:
Coinfacts:
http://media.stacksbowers.com/poguecollection/pogue-part-one-112.html
Auction photos:
Additional photos the seller sent me:
Coinfacts:
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It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned.
<< <i>The coin you showed is the exact same coin as the Coinfacts coin.
It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned. >>
Oh wow, looking at the toning pattern, I think you're actually right...wow! This is very odd. I don't know what to make out of this.
<< <i>Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>
That's what I was thinking.
Either way, too many red flags for me.
<< <i>Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>
Aren't you jumping to conclusions thinking it was stolen? There are quite a few Russian buyers who attend the Baltimore show that regularly spend over 5 figures on US coins to sell in Russia! There are also some well heeled Russians who are serious collectors and buy serious coins! I would say from the other crude pictures the seller does have the coin. Now whether it makes it across the pond remains to be seen!
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<< <i>Is there some chance that coin could have been stolen in the past and ended up in Russia? >>
Aren't you jumping to conclusions thinking it was stolen? There are quite a few Russian buyers who attend the Baltimore show that regularly spend over 5 figures on US coins to sell in Russia! There are also some well heeled Russians who are serious collectors and buy serious coins! I would say from the other crude pictures the seller does have the coin. Now whether it makes it across the pond remains to be seen! >>
Considering the asking price, I think it's fair to assume that it might have been stolen. If a collector was that serious buying a 5 figure coin, they surely wouldn't sell it for $500. At least I wouldn't think so.
http://media.stacksbowers.com/poguecollection/pogue-part-one-112.html
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<< <i>The coin you showed is the exact same coin as the Coinfacts coin.
It should be PCGS 40. The pics of the coin are real enough, whether the seller actually owns it are to be questioned. >>
Oh wow, looking at the toning pattern, I think you're actually right...wow! This is very odd. I don't know what to make out of this. >>
Can't prove it's the same exact coin of course without in-hand examination. But the toning seems identical and the marks as well.
<< <i>I'm not convinced the coin is raw either >>
Those photos do look photo-shopped. Like the coin is floating on the background.
<< <i>Which set of pictures are you doubting? The one sitting on the desk? >>
Yes. Probably the photo is a cell phone shot of the coin up for auction
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<< <i>It's not the pogue coin! It's a photoshop! >>
Are you certain? Is there something specific?
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The pictures of the coin on the desk both show the same lighting highlights, and yet the shadow of the coin falls to the lower right. Proof that it is photoshopped.
TD
<< <i>This will be interesting! If it is the Pogue coin I highly doubt it has been stolen. Makes one wonder of all the deceptive possibilities! I stand by my earlier post on the info given and no I didn't go try to snoop it out on the bay!
To my defense, I didn't snoop it either. Coin22 had a link to the auction before the edits where I saw the asking price.
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Definitely the same coin...
Knowing that site is always infallible and nobody would dare run a scam on there.
Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all.
Pretty obvious scam, to me.
<< <i>Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>
But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from?
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<< <i>Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>
But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from? >>
Very good question. This is a pretty sophisticated scam! There's a lot I didn't notice (lighting, etc.) until it was pointed out here by the forum detectives.
Ask seller to send you a photo of him or her holding the coin sideways.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>I was the high bidder on this coin in Pogue, the listing is definitely bogus. >>
Good to know. Earlier, I was beginning to think that I might be collecting a reward here soon. Stellar coin, by the way.
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<< Even the coin pics on the table are the same. Lighting adjustment is all. >>
But where did the original picture of the raw coin come from? >>
My guess is here, IMO. Lighting/shadowing looks the same too.
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<< <i>This will be interesting! If it is the Pogue coin I highly doubt it has been stolen. Makes one wonder of all the deceptive possibilities! I stand by my earlier post on the info given and no I didn't go try to snoop it out on the bay!
To my defense, I didn't snoop it either. Coin22 had a link to the auction before the edits where I saw the asking price. >>
LOL!
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<< <i>I'm not convinced the coin is raw either >>
Those photos do look photo-shopped. Like the coin is floating on the background. >>
+1.
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It is common practice for the front of the slab to be shot with lighting from above (10 - 2 o'clock) and then the slab turned like a page from a book and the reverse shot (TPG label and hologram right side up but coin upside down, with lighting appearing to come from below).
The lowlife working the rip-off circle-cropped the coin in the slab, resized it to be the same size as some other coin image and pasted it on top. He goofed by not turning the reverse upside down so the desk shadow made sense.
Lance.
<< <i>He's got another one if you are interested
Here's the same coin on CoinFacts.com