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tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
...50% over price guide is the new price guide:

1794 half MS64 $650k plus juice vs $450k
1808 $2.5 MS65 $2M plus juice vs $1.5M

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    earlyAurumearlyAurum Posts: 786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those two coins make sense but some of the others are more difficult to justify:


    1805 $2.5 MS64+ $325k plus juice vs. $195k
    1807 $2.5 MS65 $500k plus juice vs. $275k

    The 1807 is the most difficult to understand. If I am going to poney up, I would have much rather have paid for the 1798 $2.5 MS65 at $650 plus juice. Just a much nicer, more rare and it has a 17 handle. Overall in the quarter eagle series, it seemed liked condition rarity was favored over absolute rarity.

    Great event to witness first hand.
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what about the 1796/5 h10 pcgs ms66 that pogue lost almost $200k on? sold for about guide for an ms65 and not the price of an ms66

    Congrats on adding the finest 1794 50c to your 1794 set
    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1796 over 5 half dime is a specialist - collector coin, and if the guys who might have paid the money weren't in the running, it could go for a lower price.

    I'd love to have a better one, but that price is beyond what I'd want to pay for any coin like that.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    valente151valente151 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Those two coins make sense but some of the others are more difficult to justify:


    1805 $2.5 MS64+ $325k plus juice vs. $195k
    1807 $2.5 MS65 $500k plus juice vs. $275k

    The 1807 is the most difficult to understand. If I am going to poney up, I would have much rather have paid for the 1798 $2.5 MS65 at $650 plus juice. Just a much nicer, more rare and it has a 17 handle. Overall in the quarter eagle series, it seemed liked condition rarity was favored over absolute rarity.

    Great event to witness first hand. >>



    The 1798 $2.5 MS65 was my favorite of the gold in this sale, and in the running for my favorite out of the whole auction. I did really like the color and luster on the 1805 $2.50 64+ as well.
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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, but did you see my Franklin I just picked up?
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    coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,781 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, but did you see my Franklin I just picked up? >>







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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, but did you see my Franklin I just picked up? >>



    Thank goodness the original milk spots were preserved!
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    coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have said this before and will say it again...I believe Pogue will mark a major top in the coin market for "near major rarities"

    Just my opinion. I could be way off. Buyer beware....

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have said this before and will say it again...I believe Pogue will mark a major top in the coin market for "near major rarities"

    Just my opinion. I could be way off. Buyer beware.... >>

    As it should with major rarities. Why would this be a problem? If buying these things to hold for 20+ years it will matter none. The only people that should beware are those that try to buy something and expect to flip it for a profit the next day. All I can say to those folks is....DUH!
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think when special items or unique specimens come to auction, price guide goes completely out the window.
    You either pay up, or you don't get the chance at ownership

    Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
    "Coin collecting for outcasts..."

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    SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think when special items or unique specimens come to auction, price guide goes completely out the window.
    You either pay up, or you don't get the chance at ownership >>



    Agreed. I just had to do precisely this earlier today: I had two mid-six-figure bids on unique opportunities to acquire ancient Greek coins. I lost the first, a type where this coin is the finest of five known, going only to 4x the estimate when it sold for 4.5x, and I'm still kicking myself.

    I won the other, bidding 4x the estimate of a coin which is unique, the finest known of the overall type, and with a fantastic pedigree.

    I had to pay up, but both examples will be off the market for decades, so this, like Pogue, was a unique opportunity.

    The day-to-day price changes don't matter when special coins are held for a long period of time.
    Learn about our world's shared history told through the first millennium of coinage: Colosseo Collection
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...50% over price guide is the new price guide:

    Whether or not price guides are adjusted, they're still only guides. Obviously.

    I believe Pogue will mark a major top in the coin market for "near major rarities"

    I think the top for the high end US coin market was about two years ago, and that the Pogue sale would have brought significantly more back then.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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    EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...50% over price guide is the new price guide:

    Whether or not price guides are adjusted, they're still only guides. Obviously.

    I believe Pogue will mark a major top in the coin market for "near major rarities"

    I think the top for the high end US coin market was about two years ago, and that the Pogue sale would have brought significantly more back then. >>



    It was great experience being there first hand with my coin friends. From what I heard, the Pogue family and they were present, are very happy with the results.
    Easton Collection

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