Next generation of PCGS holders

TopographicOceans · May 19, 2015 11:14AM

Ask Don

AUandAG · May 19, 2015 11:18AM

Way to go PCGS!

Thanks for the short video Don.

bob

pcgs69 · May 19, 2015 11:21AM

Sounds like some pretty good technology has gone into the new holder. Can't wait to see them.

keyman64 · May 19, 2015 11:21AM

Interesting. Only about 1.5 years after the last major change that was announced at Winter FUN 2014. The hologram inside the plastic that won't rip off like the others is a good plan! The QR Code to scan is cool too.

bidask · May 19, 2015 11:23AM

Is Don growing a beard ?

Uncledoc · May 19, 2015 11:29AM

The chemists in the crowd laugh at the contention that it's impossible to counterfeit. Lots of chemists in China. Sounds like an undergrad lab project.

ScarsdaleCoin · May 19, 2015 11:35AM

Every upgrade is a positive. Glad to hear the announcement after hearing these items mentioned over the past few months

Unknown · May 19, 2015 11:38AM

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MsMorrisine · May 19, 2015 11:41AM

D'oh!

I got in on the last reholder (at the special prices).

It's not out of anal-ness, but I do want the new tech.

reholder special... again?

coinguy1989 · May 19, 2015 11:58AM

I wonder how the optics of the new holder will compare to the current one.

coinguy1989 · May 19, 2015 11:59AM

<< D'oh!

I got in on the last reholder (at the special prices).

It's not out of anal-ness, but I do want the new tech.

reholder special... again? >>

I would like to see a combined TrueView + Reholder special. I would submit all of my better pieces.

morgandollar1878 · May 19, 2015 12:02PM

Looks like some very good ideas are going into the next holder, thanks for sharing the video.

Ronny · May 19, 2015 12:17PM

<< I couldn't understand a thing outta that video thanks to my hearing loss. Oh well, looks cool at least, and different. >>

I'm sorry! Great vid, too bad you missed out.

Cheers, RonO

Baley · May 19, 2015 12:20PM

<< D'oh!

I got in on the last reholder (at the special prices).

It's not out of anal-ness, but I do want the new tech.

reholder special... again? >>

See now, this is why all my keepers are either raw or in the holders they're in.

Once the holders stop changing, I'll only have to submit them once per coin

BryceM · May 19, 2015 12:32PM

Looks like a good move foreword. To me, the optics & clarity are key, but anti-counterfeiting measures are important too.

okiedude · May 19, 2015 12:41PM

Looks pretty nice. I'd be careful of challenging the Chinese, though-LOL!

Christos · May 19, 2015 12:43PM

<< The chemists in the crowd laugh at the contention that it's impossible to counterfeit. Lots of chemists in China. Sounds like an undergrad lab project. >>

The key will be determining the key marker being looked for in the mix.

The QR code brings you to the cert verification page and that is a good idea.

The antiscratch is also very good idea.

The near inert composition means that coins should stay looking the same for the long haul considering vthey can now get a full weld around the entire seam of the holder. This also means less nifty toned coins in the future.

astrorat · May 19, 2015 12:46PM

Very nice!

jmcu12 · May 19, 2015 12:53PM

Very awesome! But he said 'Nearly Inert' what does that mean exactly? Could it mean that there is still a trace amount of air inside the slab?

scubafuel · May 19, 2015 1:01PM

Does nobody mind that the edge view seems to be gone? That was one of my favorite features of the last gen of holders.

Lets the light in, you know?

Maybe it's still there, it's a bit hard to see from the vid.

MsMorrisine · May 19, 2015 1:05PM

ASE are large diameter

I don't think there are prongs for them

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CoinJunkie · May 19, 2015 2:05PM

<< But he said 'Nearly Inert' what does that mean exactly? Could it mean that there is still a trace amount of air inside the slab? >>

There's always a "trace" amount of air inside any holder unless measures are taken to evacuate
it during welding, which they aren't for cost reasons. The issue is permeability to outside air,
and it sounds like this one is less permeable than previous generations, but probably not
perfect. That said, under most storage conditions, the main concern would be humidity as
opposed to compounds that might cause environmental damage and/or toning.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · May 19, 2015 2:24PM

...five........five dollar.............five dollar reeeee-holderrrrrrr.....PLEASE bring back the $5 re-holder PCGS. $10 is well worth it for a TrueView, but $12 is NOT for a re-holder. IMHO of course, and I'm not speaking as an observer...I have sent in over 100 coins for re-holder over the last year.

Cool features on the Newbie

Barndog · May 19, 2015 2:26PM

<< Does nobody mind that the edge view seems to be gone? That was one of my favorite features of the last gen of holders.

Lets the light in, you know?

Maybe it's still there, it's a bit hard to see from the vid. >>

I will be interested in more information on that also.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · May 19, 2015 2:37PM

<< 

<< Does nobody mind that the edge view seems to be gone? That was one of my favorite features of the last gen of holders.

Lets the light in, you know?

Maybe it's still there, it's a bit hard to see from the vid. >>

I will be interested in more information on that also. >>

Somebody above mentioned it but they used an ASE in the video....ASE's have never got into a pronged holder, so I would assume this is the case here as well.

messydesk · May 19, 2015 3:27PM

Nice! I'm not surprised that the redesign is coming so soon. Don did mention at 2014 FUN that slab design is a bit of an "arms race" with counterfeiters.

As for the QR code, it looks like their R&D department is paying attention to the forums:
Linky

CuKevin · May 19, 2015 3:35PM

<< 

<< The chemists in the crowd laugh at the contention that it's impossible to counterfeit. Lots of chemists in China. Sounds like an undergrad lab project. >>

The key will be determining the key marker being looked for in the mix. >>

This does not seem difficult to do in my opinion as an engineer who is familiar with research into security tags such as this.

Many counterfeiters may not bother to go this extreme though since they can sell well made counterfeits missing the TAG, and only PCGS would know it wasn't present.

illini420 · May 19, 2015 3:39PM

<< ...five........five dollar.............five dollar reeeee-holderrrrrrr.....PLEASE bring back the $5 re-holder PCGS. $10 is well worth it for a TrueView, but $12 is NOT for a re-holder. IMHO of course, and I'm not speaking as an observer...I have sent in over 100 coins for re-holder over the last year.

Cool features on the Newbie

>>

They are doing $5 TrueViews at the Long Beach show in a couple of weeks... so that isn't too bad.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · May 19, 2015 4:49PM

<< Nice! I'm not surprised that the redesign is coming so soon. Don did mention at 2014 FUN that slab design is a bit of an "arms race" with counterfeiters.

As for the QR code, it looks like their R&D department is paying attention to the forums:
Linky >>

Nice Work and as The Leading TPG in numismatics it seems prudent they pay some attention to their forum..."Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent." NB

Boosibri · May 19, 2015 5:00PM

Innovation is good. Time for a new label too!

ambro51 · May 19, 2015 8:15PM

Fantastic and Profitable plan. Same coins, same owners, more profit! Awesome. You realize of course this is non-ending, Ten years down the road you'll pay over and over and over. Gotcha!

morgansforever · May 19, 2015 8:28PM

Great news, scratch resistant hopefully it's scuff resistant too. Many of my slabs have this scuff mark at the center, resulting in a blur when imaged.
Inert plastic, guess this means ultra clarity, thumbs up PCGS

keets · May 19, 2015 9:15PM

my only question would be --- How do they stack with the older style holders??

bosco5041 · May 19, 2015 9:33PM

<< I couldn't understand a thing outta that video thanks to my hearing loss. Oh well, looks cool at least, and different. >>

They need to cut the music in the background that is almost as loud as his voice for us who have hearing loss. Had to listen to it twice and still only heard 90% of it.

SullivanNumismatics · May 19, 2015 9:35PM

Sound like some welcome changes. Making the holder more counterfeit resistant is good, but although PCGS should be able to detect the good holders from the bad with their "DNA", for average collectors I'm not sure it'll matter much since they'll not know if the holder is the correct "DNA" or not when they initially buy the coin. Perhaps PCGS will be selling "DNA detector" pins.

oih82w8 · May 19, 2015 9:57PM

<< I couldn't understand a thing outta that video thanks to my hearing loss. Oh well, looks cool at least, and different. >>

Same here, I wish that the written transcript would be placed below the video.

MonsterCoinz · May 19, 2015 11:11PM

Again, the best protection against counterfeits....is a TrueView for every coin.

edgar · May 19, 2015 11:22PM

i wonder if (hope) the new composition will reduce the incidence of milk spotting of silver.

topstuf · May 19, 2015 11:31PM

<< 

<< I couldn't understand a thing outta that video thanks to my hearing loss. Oh well, looks cool at least, and different. >>

I'm sorry! Great vid, too bad you missed out.

Cheers, RonO >>

A smart thing to do is accompany videos with text. It's clearer, more accurate and concise.
I will never understand why it isn't standard practice.

originalisbest · May 20, 2015 1:28AM

Never say never (about being counterfeit-proof) but does look like a nice holder. I'm indifferent to the QR code -- rather than cutting-edge, these are already antiquated. I imagine in 5-10 years they'll only elicit a chuckle, like looking at a once-useful zip drive or 5-inch floppy disk does today. But the hologram being scratch and peel resistant is certainly welcome!

All in all, if the clarity is good, then it will be a welcome holder upgrade.

asheland · May 20, 2015 2:29AM

I like these! I look forward to seeing one!

BAJJERFAN · May 20, 2015 3:16AM

<< i wonder if (hope) the new composition will reduce the incidence of milk spotting of silver. >>

Why would it since the spotting IS NOT an artifact of the holder?

BAJJERFAN · May 20, 2015 3:39AM

<< 

<< But he said 'Nearly Inert' what does that mean exactly? Could it mean that there is still a trace amount of air inside the slab? >>

There's always a "trace" amount of air inside any holder unless measures are taken to evacuate
it during welding, which they aren't for cost reasons. The issue is permeability to outside air,
and it sounds like this one is less permeable than previous generations, but probably not
perfect. That said, under most storage conditions, the main concern would be humidity as
opposed to compounds that might cause environmental damage and/or toning. >>

Inertness here isn't referring to air in the holder, it's adventitious chemicals which may remain in the plastic after it's prepared, compounded and formed into the slab parts. It would seem that there is a teeny tiny bit of uniquely identifiable compound intentionally added. The presence of this compound in an unknown slab signals it's genuine.

CoinJunkie · May 20, 2015 5:01AM

<< 

<< 

<< But he said 'Nearly Inert' what does that mean exactly? Could it mean that there is still a trace amount of air inside the slab? >>

There's always a "trace" amount of air inside any holder unless measures are taken to evacuate
it during welding, which they aren't for cost reasons. The issue is permeability to outside air,
and it sounds like this one is less permeable than previous generations, but probably not
perfect. That said, under most storage conditions, the main concern would be humidity as
opposed to compounds that might cause environmental damage and/or toning. >>

Inertness here isn't referring to air in the holder, it's adventitious chemicals which may remain in the plastic after it's prepared, compounded and formed into the slab parts. It would seem that there is a teeny tiny bit of uniquely identifiable compound intentionally added. The presence of this compound in an unknown slab signals it's genuine. >>

So you're saying "inert" means the holder authentication chemical won't react with any metals
that might be inside the holder? I guess I could buy that.

CoinJunkie · May 20, 2015 5:05AM

<< Great news, scratch resistant hopefully it's scuff resistant too. Many of my slabs have this scuff mark at the center, resulting in a blur when imaged.
Inert plastic, guess this means ultra clarity, thumbs up PCGS

>>

The current generation plastic was claimed to be "scratch-resistant". As we know, that
doesn't mean it won't scratch (or scuff). I highly doubt the next holder will be much
different. I'm not a plastics expert, but my intuition says clarity and scratch-resistance
are generally inversely proportional.

johnny9434 · May 20, 2015 5:07AM

i hope it works out real well for them.

amwldcoin · May 20, 2015 5:13AM

I wonder if this holder is only for the secure plus service....which is more expensive.

CMCART · May 22, 2015 7:39PM

machoponcho · May 24, 2015 2:18AM

This sounds like a good change on the face of it. The counterfeit PCGS slabs have been a real problem for a number of years now. The QR scan may actually be a stroke of brilliance! However, I wonder what if any change "nearly inert" is, though. Were they completely inert before whereas these new holders will not be?

Halfsense · May 29, 2015 8:47AM

Here's a link to the illustrated news release announcing the new, security-enhanced PCGS holders:

Link to news release.

-donn-

Next generation of PCGS holders

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