A Quick Question About 1963 FS-401 Bugs Bunny Franklin 50C: Specialist Needed!
BustHalfBrian
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If the below die clash is present, does that mean it's the variety? Or is this clash found on non-Bugs Bunny coins as well?
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I know it's a pretty specific question, so if anyone could even point me in the direction of an a expert to contact...
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Bueller's at the Pogue auction.
The rest of the die clash may have been polished off.
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<< <i>Need to see the rest as.......no teeth no bugs.
The rest of the die clash may have been polished off. >>
There are some dates assigned FS-401 that have no apparent teeth but rather exhibit a subtle die clash on the lip and/or under the nose. 1963 is one of those dates. I'm not sure how it's decided whether to call the variety FS-401 (Bug Bunny) or FS-402 (Obv. Die Clash).
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There are some dates assigned FS-401 that have no apparent teeth but rather exhibit a subtle die clash on the lip and/or under the nose. 1963 is one of those dates. I'm not sure how it's decided whether to call the variety FS-401 (Bug Bunny) or FS-402 (Obv. Die Clash). >>
Its a crap shoot with them. I have submitted some and the ones I thought had no change got the variety.
Others that I knew was a dead ringer did not.
Besides the teeth(which can be very small) the clash on the reverse like you show usually has a slight bump impression
under the left wing .......I hope this makes sense to you.
I will try to look for my images.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC FOR SALE
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There are some dates assigned FS-401 that have no apparent teeth but rather exhibit a subtle die clash on the lip and/or under the nose. 1963 is one of those dates. I'm not sure how it's decided whether to call the variety FS-401 (Bug Bunny) or FS-402 (Obv. Die Clash). >>
Its a crap shoot with them. I have submitted some and the ones I thought had no change got the variety.
Others that I knew was a dead ringer did not.
Besides the teeth(which can be very small) the clash on the reverse like you show usually has a slight bump impression
under the left wing .......I hope this makes sense to you.
I will try to look for my images. >>
I'm not sure I know the 'impression' you're talking about. Like a die gouge?
Today I found almost a full roll of 1963 halves with these die clashes above the bell. At least 4 of the halves definitely have 'teeth' but the rest I'm not so sure. Franklinlover.com lists the die clash above the bell as a 'die marker' for FS-401 but I'm not clear on if that means the die clash is found only on the FS-401.
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Bueller's at the Pogue auction. >>
Sorry if you think I am hijacking your thread, but the Bueller reference got me thinking about Ferris Bueller's Day Off and numismatics. Trivia question: who here knows which leading actor (or actress) in that movie is a serious numismatist?
<< <i>If the below die clash is present, does that mean it's the variety? Or is this clash found on non-Bugs Bunny coins as well?
caf nailed it. crap-shoot.
there are many instances where dies were switched out and therefore one side may have the pups of an acceptable or unacceptable (by pcgs standards) variety/clash and one may not. i've seen more die swapping with these than any other instance of numismatics thus far, including vams. strictly my observations.
by swap, i mean old for new not old for old creating re-marriages.
i concur with caf and with the frank clashes, it is best to see the whole coin or at least the 2 prime areas.
im no "expert" with these but have worked with many big-boys in this niche and have had tons of different dies of them.
obviously it is possible that polishing/use removed/reduced these rev markers and the 401/402 exists w/o them and visa-versa; the rev die has them but with a diff obv non-clashed die or a polished-out one as caf cited.
<< <i>If the below die clash is present, does that mean it's the variety? Or is this clash found on non-Bugs Bunny coins as well? >>
it would be best to search out some known 401/402 and verify since we have not confirmed one way or the other if you get antsy and way to do some research.
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@AHFreak, the teeth-like clash marks are from the bottom of eagle's left wing.
I crossed this ANACS Bugs Bunny FBL and PCGS called it FS-402, dropped the FBL and gave it a plus. I found this handy guide which validated the die 3, FS-402 designation:
franklinlover.yolasite.com/bugs-bunny.php#1954%2050c%20BB3
@BustHalfBrian's coin is called a PDDO-008...
franklinlover.yolasite.com/doubled-dies-1963.php#1963%20PDDO-008
...and has die stage B clash marks making it a Bugs Bunny type. But as always the presence of the teeth clash is the most important factor.
Caveat: I'm no Franklin expert. I just looked around a little to figure out what I really had.
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They called that a 402?? They are so inconsistent (and so wrong). That should be 401.
@georgiacop50...It has the die marks cited for the 402 in the linked reference, but not any listed for the 401. See below.
I'm sure you know a lot more than I do about this series. Tell me why it should be the 401?
Lance.