Numismatic lessons are available. I would locate an organization that is willing to assist you. I can recommend a girl scout troop working on there numismatic badge.
If you followed the thread properly. It all started with a friendly note to a Baltimore attendee. At the request of this attendee I started a thread. Someone posted my book. The collective knowledge here berated the initial entry. Well, the book stands on its own merits. As for the membership here...You are what you post.
I see hot babes. Come on..it's a marketing gimmick to get individuals to listen to classical music. You will like the contest that the video sponsor has set up...follow the video's source...
Trademark was required since a soon to be release book uses the term. As for FG. My research has found a single instance where the appreciation medals has been credited to FG. It took sometime to locate this source. To clarify the single instance...the Eisenhower and Kennedy appreciation medals are mentioned in a single sentence with Frank Gasparro. The Kennedy research is at a temporary roadblock. Most of the Kennedy records are still classified. I'm working other paths but it's slow. Wow a reasonable question in this tread...
I was expecting questions like: How were they hidden from the public?
These medals were White House centric.That is, the White House had full control of the medals' development. The Bureau of the Mint directed the U.S. Mint to provide the medals. Majority of the records were kept by the Executive Office of the President. At the end of Eisenhower's second term, a staff member kept the records. After this staff member died, it was willed to a son. After the son passed, it was donated to the U.S. Government. At this time 50 years had elapsed. I was at the right place and time with my research. I was the first "numismatist" to view the records. The records was a treasure trove of unreleased information. A total of 17 Eisenhower medals were cataloged. Some of the medals were officially first issued overseas (a US Mint first). Medals were struck ahead of time. Those with overseas location were taken along the trip. The Japan and specific Paris Summit medals are extremely rare. The State of Hawai'i medal is the first US Mint product to bear the state of hawaii as a design element (not to be confused with Kingdom of Hawaii). The half dollar and dollar size medals uses the same planchets as the US silver coins. As for the Eisenhower medallion, it's uniface with a special message to specific recipients. Eisenhower gave a few uniface medals (without engraving) away. From a collector standpoint....it's collectable if you know what to look for. The secondary markets will boost demand. This is a POTUS medal and challenge coin collectors want it. The dollar size coin is being advocated as a new so called dollar. Political memorabilia want it for is historical connection. Medal collectors want it as a Presidential medal.Foreign collectors want it since it was released in their country. There are 20+ countries in which the medals were used. The records also reveal designs that was later cancelled: USSR, Formosa, Philippines...even one for the state of alaska. This series of medals is rich in history from 1958 through 1961. As for the Kennedy POTUS appreciation medal, this is a medal handed out by President Kennedy (as well as the Eisenhower medals). These are not commemoratives. These are medal used by the POTUS. This is the key collectability factor. A medal handed out by the most powerful men in the world. No other collectible can make that claim. Most medals are family heirlooms and you must pry them out of the hands of the heirs. Lastly, after 50+ years of being undocumented, the attrition rate took its toll. Most were melted due to it not being identifiable. Those survived are worn or mishandled. Those issued overseas eventually saw the smelters. For those who say this is not desirable collectable, you are wrong. These are historical Presidential pieces.
What grade level do you need to reach to understand the functions of the "reply" and "quote" buttons?
Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i> …. Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean. >>
That diarrhea reeking your message is given a courtesy flush... >>
You know, I had great interest in your book and discovery, but I don't think I've ever come across an author, or person for that matter with a public presence such as yourself.
<< <i> …. Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean. >>
That diarrhea reeking your message is given a courtesy flush... >>
You know, I had great interest in your book and discovery, but I don't think I've ever come across an author, or person for that matter with a public presence such as yourself.
One book I'm crossing off my want-list. >>
I saw an incomplete planchet, it somewhat reminded me of your significant other...it had a flat head and a flat tail
What grade level do you need to reach to understand the functions of the "reply" and "quote" buttons?
Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Incomplete planchets? You are a faceless and tailess soul...You must be single... >>
I was expecting you to thank me for instructing you how to give your replies context, but I will assume no reply is also you thanking me.
Once upon a time I would have had some fun in this thread, but the older I get and the longer I've been around the web the less attractive this particular brand of bait becomes. Therefore I will simply wish you the best of luck in your collecting pursuits.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
This started off with great intent, I thought. Unfortunately it's difficult to steer something "on course" when it's been steered so far off it's intended target.
<< <i>This started off with great intent, I thought. Unfortunately it's difficult to steer something "on course" when it's been steered so far off it's intended target. >>
This thread from the same OP seems to have held to the original subject. It's actually a very interesting subject and a well done display.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Sounds like the clip between the commercials for Treasure Island. My SPAM meter is pinging! >>
(1) Thank you for the complement. Pairing me with a classic novel brings credit to my writing skill set. (2) As for the television part, you are the connoisseur of commercials. My hat goes off to you. (3) I would search the internet for the "10 signs of watching too much television". (4) Your imaginary "SPAM" meter must run havoc at the grocery store due to all the canned pork meat products. (5) Your imaginary SPAM meter needs a much needed upgrade. I would make a suggestion that your imagination upgrade to a SPAM "detector". The terms "meter" and "pinging" puts an age on you. I'm venturing a guess that you are a Trekkie or someone in their 50's?
<< <i>My guess - the Martha Washington pattern coins. Not exactly a true series or a new discovery, although interesting. http://mikebyers.com/martha.html
OK, looking around more, it does appear to be the Ike medal series - see DrDarryl's post in Charmy's Baltimore report:
Perfect guess and right on the money (pardon the pun). In a later message I give the story behind the lost information. In summary" It's all due to an Eisenhower staff member keeping Presidential documents and after 50+ years the documents being donated to the U.S. Government (the rightful owner). The 50+ years has decimated the medal population since its not listed in any coin/medal reference book.
<< <i>My guess - the Martha Washington pattern coins. Not exactly a true series or a new discovery, although interesting. http://mikebyers.com/martha.html >>
one member here found one of those in their pocket change they save jars...no lie talk about a "YOU SUCK" pocket change style
i keep on thinking about these and the whole story of the 1964 sms series >>
Interesting. Send me the contact information. These are medals have President Eisenhower provenance. Not a commemorative but an actual medal used during the term of a sitting President.Unlike the 1964 SMS, full documentation about the series is available: Mintages, meltings, memos (White House, Bureau of the Mint, US Mint at Philadelphia).
Total surviving mintage for the silver dollar size is 5,532 specimens of 10 different Frank Gasparro designs. Your contact should look for the Paris Summit Delegate medal (May 1960 U-2 incident cancelled the summit). Only 3 survived and its was most likely taken from the medals awaiting destruction by the Bureau of the Mint. The Japan medal is another. Only 90 survived.
These medals prices have increased from silver bullion value to $600 a specimen. Not bad for a "YOU SUCK" pocket change.
<< <i>There is really only one rule of coin trading. Pass or play. I'm with TomB - I'm passing. >>
Well, I'd be interested in knowing how these were acquired? And possibly what the general availability might be. >>
To my knowledge no one has the completed collecting the series. There are several reasons:
1) End of term destruction reduced mintage from 9,858 to 8,247 for the 17 Eisenhower medals
2) 13 medals were used worldwide (see map for location). Red are the half-dollar size locations. Green and Purple are the dollar size locations. Only 5 stateside location have been confirmed: Alaska, hawaii, Rhode Island, District of Columbia, and Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
3) Most have seen the smelters due to it being an unknown origin and unknown collector value. The lack of documentation for over 50 years has decimated the surviving population.
4) Those who received the medals had ties or worked for the US Government (foreign nationals working at US embassy of trip country, US Military assisting with the trip (pilots, communication, drivers, etc...), Department of State assisting with the trip, foreign dignitaries, local security forces, etc...)
5) Most are treated as Presidential heirlooms and kept in the recipients's family.
6) Those that appear on the market have been coming from US Military that worked the overseas trips.
7) I have been getting repeated feedback from family members of original recipients who have been trying to locate information about their medal and that the information I have been distributing (over the internet) has been the first instance it being identified. Now they know the historical value. This new information will keep these medals out of the market.
8) They appear one in a blue moon at auction sites.
9) Search the internet for key words "POTUS Appreciation Medals" or "Eisenhower Appreciation Medals" for more information and images.
10) Eisenhower Wiki page has large images of the State of Hawaii medal. The Hawaii medal has a population of 267. Prices range from $300 to $1000 for the Hawaii medal
Kudos for staying the course, DrDarryl, and let me add : "Touche' My comments are not meant to incite or provoke, but should they anger or upset, let me offer my apologies.
The way you have conducted yourself has likely caused most of the members to ignore/avoid these items and your posts; a few will actively make fun of you at every opportunity.
If anyone has any interest in various medals from this Pres, let me know, I acquired a vast collection from a old time collector who collected nothing but... Just PM me, like to find them a good home
<< <i>If anyone has any interest in various medals from this Pres, let me know, I acquired a vast collection from a old time collector who collected nothing but... Just PM me, like to find them a good home >>
B-b-b-bu-bu-bu-but... these are a new discovery, unheard of within numismatics for five decades?!?
ONE CAN ONLY HAVE HIS MIND BLOWN SO MANY TIMES BEFORE IT CAN NO LONGER RECONSTRUCT.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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<< <i>I'm still accepting congratulatory messages. Silence will mean the same. >>
Congratulations on all the new friends you have made here.
Successful BST deals with mustangt and jesbroken. Now EVERYTHING is for sale.
How were they hidden from the public?
These medals were White House centric.That is, the White House had full control of the medals' development. The Bureau of the Mint directed the U.S. Mint to provide the medals. Majority of the records were kept by the Executive Office of the President. At the end of Eisenhower's second term, a staff member kept the records. After this staff member died, it was willed to a son. After the son passed, it was donated to the U.S. Government. At this time 50 years had elapsed. I was at the right place and time with my research. I was the first "numismatist" to view the records. The records was a treasure trove of unreleased information. A total of 17 Eisenhower medals were cataloged. Some of the medals were officially first issued overseas (a US Mint first). Medals were struck ahead of time. Those with overseas location were taken along the trip. The Japan and specific Paris Summit medals are extremely rare. The State of Hawai'i medal is the first US Mint product to bear the state of hawaii as a design element (not to be confused with Kingdom of Hawaii). The half dollar and dollar size medals uses the same planchets as the US silver coins. As for the Eisenhower medallion, it's uniface with a special message to specific recipients. Eisenhower gave a few uniface medals (without engraving) away. From a collector standpoint....it's collectable if you know what to look for. The secondary markets will boost demand. This is a POTUS medal and challenge coin collectors want it. The dollar size coin is being advocated as a new so called dollar. Political memorabilia want it for is historical connection. Medal collectors want it as a Presidential medal.Foreign collectors want it since it was released in their country. There are 20+ countries in which the medals were used. The records also reveal designs that was later cancelled: USSR, Formosa, Philippines...even one for the state of alaska. This series of medals is rich in history from 1958 through 1961. As for the Kennedy POTUS appreciation medal, this is a medal handed out by President Kennedy (as well as the Eisenhower medals). These are not commemoratives. These are medal used by the POTUS. This is the key collectability factor. A medal handed out by the most powerful men in the world. No other collectible can make that claim. Most medals are family heirlooms and you must pry them out of the hands of the heirs. Lastly, after 50+ years of being undocumented, the attrition rate took its toll. Most were melted due to it not being identifiable. Those survived are worn or mishandled. Those issued overseas eventually saw the smelters. For those who say this is not desirable collectable, you are wrong. These are historical Presidential pieces.
<< <i>Trademark was required since a soon to be release book uses the term. >>
That makes sense.
<< <i>High school graduate I see. >>
What grade level do you need to reach to understand the functions of the "reply" and "quote" buttons?
Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean.
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Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean.
That diarrhea reeking your message is given a courtesy flush...
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Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean.
That diarrhea reeking your message is given a courtesy flush... >>
You know, I had great interest in your book and discovery, but I don't think I've ever come across an author, or person for that matter with a public presence such as yourself.
One book I'm crossing off my want-list.
"You Suck Award" - February, 2015
Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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<< <i>High school graduate I see. >>
What grade level do you need to reach to understand the functions of the "reply" and "quote" buttons?
Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Incomplete planchets? You are a faceless and tailess soul...You must be single...
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Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Now this is "classic" Sean.
That diarrhea reeking your message is given a courtesy flush... >>
You know, I had great interest in your book and discovery, but I don't think I've ever come across an author, or person for that matter with a public presence such as yourself.
One book I'm crossing off my want-list. >>
I saw an incomplete planchet, it somewhat reminded me of your significant other...it had a flat head and a flat tail
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<< <i>High school graduate I see. >>
What grade level do you need to reach to understand the functions of the "reply" and "quote" buttons?
Your avatar is appropriate as I think this thread needs to be royally flushed.
Sean Reynolds >>
Incomplete planchets? You are a faceless and tailess soul...You must be single... >>
I was expecting you to thank me for instructing you how to give your replies context, but I will assume no reply is also you thanking me.
Once upon a time I would have had some fun in this thread, but the older I get and the longer I've been around the web the less attractive this particular brand of bait becomes. Therefore I will simply wish you the best of luck in your collecting pursuits.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
<< <i>This started off with great intent, I thought. Unfortunately it's difficult to steer something "on course" when it's been steered so far off it's intended target. >>
This thread from the same OP seems to have held to the original subject. It's actually a very interesting subject and a well done display.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Sounds like the clip between the commercials for Treasure Island. My SPAM meter is pinging! >>
(1) Thank you for the complement. Pairing me with a classic novel brings credit to my writing skill set. (2) As for the television part, you are the connoisseur of commercials. My hat goes off to you. (3) I would search the internet for the "10 signs of watching too much television". (4) Your imaginary "SPAM" meter must run havoc at the grocery store due to all the canned pork meat products. (5) Your imaginary SPAM meter needs a much needed upgrade. I would make a suggestion that your imagination upgrade to a SPAM "detector". The terms "meter" and "pinging" puts an age on you. I'm venturing a guess that you are a Trekkie or someone in their 50's?
<< <i>My guess - the Martha Washington pattern coins. Not exactly a true series or a new discovery, although interesting.
http://mikebyers.com/martha.html
OK, looking around more, it does appear to be the Ike medal series - see DrDarryl's post in Charmy's Baltimore report:
Perfect guess and right on the money (pardon the pun). In a later message I give the story behind the lost information. In summary" It's all due to an Eisenhower staff member keeping Presidential documents and after 50+ years the documents being donated to the U.S. Government (the rightful owner). The 50+ years has decimated the medal population since its not listed in any coin/medal reference book.
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<< <i>My guess - the Martha Washington pattern coins. Not exactly a true series or a new discovery, although interesting.
http://mikebyers.com/martha.html >>
one member here found one of those in their pocket change they save jars...no lie
talk about a "YOU SUCK" pocket change style
i keep on thinking about these and the whole story of the 1964 sms series >>
Interesting. Send me the contact information. These are medals have President Eisenhower provenance. Not a commemorative but an actual medal used during the term of a sitting President.Unlike the 1964 SMS, full documentation about the series is available: Mintages, meltings, memos (White House, Bureau of the Mint, US Mint at Philadelphia).
Total surviving mintage for the silver dollar size is 5,532 specimens of 10 different Frank Gasparro designs. Your contact should look for the Paris Summit Delegate medal (May 1960 U-2 incident cancelled the summit). Only 3 survived and its was most likely taken from the medals awaiting destruction by the Bureau of the Mint. The Japan medal is another. Only 90 survived.
These medals prices have increased from silver bullion value to $600 a specimen. Not bad for a "YOU SUCK" pocket change.
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<< <i>There is really only one rule of coin trading. Pass or play. I'm with TomB - I'm passing. >>
Well, I'd be interested in knowing how these were acquired? And possibly what the general availability might be. >>
To my knowledge no one has the completed collecting the series. There are several reasons:
1) End of term destruction reduced mintage from 9,858 to 8,247 for the 17 Eisenhower medals
2) 13 medals were used worldwide (see map for location). Red are the half-dollar size locations. Green and Purple are the dollar size locations. Only 5 stateside location have been confirmed: Alaska, hawaii, Rhode Island, District of Columbia, and Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
3) Most have seen the smelters due to it being an unknown origin and unknown collector value. The lack of documentation for over 50 years has decimated the surviving population.
4) Those who received the medals had ties or worked for the US Government (foreign nationals working at US embassy of trip country, US Military assisting with the trip (pilots, communication, drivers, etc...), Department of State assisting with the trip, foreign dignitaries, local security forces, etc...)
5) Most are treated as Presidential heirlooms and kept in the recipients's family.
6) Those that appear on the market have been coming from US Military that worked the overseas trips.
7) I have been getting repeated feedback from family members of original recipients who have been trying to locate information about their medal and that the information I have been distributing (over the internet) has been the first instance it being identified. Now they know the historical value. This new information will keep these medals out of the market.
8) They appear one in a blue moon at auction sites.
9) Search the internet for key words "POTUS Appreciation Medals" or "Eisenhower Appreciation Medals" for more information and images.
10) Eisenhower Wiki page has large images of the State of Hawaii medal. The Hawaii medal has a population of 267. Prices range from $300 to $1000 for the Hawaii medal
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Unknown origins
50 x Seigniorage
Genuine United States mint-produced host coin
Jeweler's Mill technology
40,000 PSI generated pressure
--Severian the Lame
<< <i>If anyone has any interest in various medals from this Pres, let me know, I acquired a vast collection from a old time collector who collected nothing but... Just PM me, like to find them a good home >>
B-b-b-bu-bu-bu-but... these are a new discovery, unheard of within numismatics for five decades?!?
ONE CAN ONLY HAVE HIS MIND BLOWN SO MANY TIMES BEFORE IT CAN NO LONGER RECONSTRUCT.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor