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My grades just posted. Quick turnaround and I made a 66+ Morgan!
GMan
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Order #20893459
Order #20893459 / Submission #5170878
1 1 31783890 3680 1862 3CS USA AU53
2 1 31783891 5426 1853 25C USA XF40 Arrows & Rays
3 1 31783892 5673 1916 25C USA AU55 Barber
4 1 31783893 6618 1943 50C USA MS62
5 1 31783894 6701 1960 50C USA PR67
6 1 31783895 7166 1886 $1 USA MS65
7 1 31783896 7252 1898 $1 USA MS66+
8 1 31783897 5655 1909-O USA VG08
Total Items: 8
Date Received: 2/2/2015
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
I hadn't submitted anything since 2012 and those were just the 25th anniversary ASE sets. I wasn't happy with my past results with classics though I did have a few decent grades but also my share of body bags and less than stellar results. I also haven't had a lot of money for coins the past few years so I haven't had much need to submit anything. I finally bit the bullet when our hosts announced the CC price increase and bought the Gold membership on 12/29. I had a a couple of nice Morgan's and what I thought were nice Walkers kicking around for 3 or 4 years. I was on the fence about those coins and it had been holding them for possible submission. Frankly my confidence in my grading to PCGS standards isn't very high. Considering the first "super awesome" Morgan I sent in with my first submission came back MS-60. If you can't find the humor in that, well at least I certainly can. I'd also recently bought a couple of nice or at least what I thought were decent coins. I figured I could come up with 8 coins that were worth submitting. I also wanted to test myself and finally see what those 2 Morgans I was positive were at least 65's actually would grade.
Once I started going through my box of all things raw, I actually had trouble coming up with 8 coins without problems I thought were worth slabbing. The Morgans were both P mints, an 1886 and a 1898. I knew those were going and was pretty hopeful. They both looked like solid 65's to me and I was sick of wondering about them. They're the 2 best raw Morgan's I've ever found out in the wild. Both of them were bought locally for a good price. I don't pay strong prices for raw coins and expect them to grade out. Too risky for an inexperienced small fish like me. Some history: I've only been buying/selling coins since 2006. I've got a good dealer buddy that got me in to buying and selling scrap gold, silver, and coins when gold first got to around $650, enjoyed it and have been doing it ever sense. Learning about coins as I can. A lot of that knowledge has come from these boards so thank you to everyone. I'm lucky to work at the family business where I keep a small table in my office. People bring me things from time to time. Mostly junk and broken jewelry and some coins. I never make a lot in a year, but I enjoy it. I try to be honest and fair with people while protecting my interests and not overpaying.
As a collector I really don't have any focus at all, I would more call me an accumulator of a small amount of graded coins that if I ever do decide to get focused, I can sell as a stake to really begin a collection. As you can see none of these are big dollar or key date coins. Closest is the 1909-O Barber which is tough in Fine or better. Ok so on to this submission. It's a bit of a mixed bag but overall I'm pleased.
First things first: Amazing turn around. Coins entered on 2/2 and grades on 2/10. Bravo PCGS.
Second thing second: EVERYTHING GRADED. Small victories can be sweet sometimes.
1862 3CS AU53 This is not my coin. I was stuck at 7 coins and a buddy wanted it graded. Frankly I had no idea. Guessed it either a 55 or a 62. It also had what looked like a light scratch on the obverse. I told him it might genuine but he thought it was worth a shot. He'll probably be disappointed in the AU53. It had some luster under the fairly dark toning. I couldn't see obvious wear but I'm clueless on this series. Sorry no pics yet.
1853 A&R 25c. XF40 I really like this coin in hand. Has even grey surfaces that look original and really appealing to me. Hoped it was a 45 but knew it might not make it. Really thought the detail was there though. Still a great looking coin in my opinion. With what I paid for the coin, I'm not buried. No pics of this one yet either.
1916 Barber 25c AU55 This coin had me going between AU55 - MS62. I am terrible about seeing AU vs MS. I was hoping for low MS and I guess really didn't want to see the wear but I knew in my heart from the muted luster alone on the obverse, this coin would not go MS. I think if the luster on the obverse was as nice as the reverse, it would have went 58. Still not buried with what I paid for the coin. No pics yet either. I will update the thread with pics once I get the coins back.
1943 Walker 50c. MS62 What can I say. Time to go back to school. I really thought this coin was a 65 or better. Great luster and clean. Hopefully I can get some good pics and post them. I thought this was the best coin of the 3 MS Walkers I had. I could really use some pointers on this series. I guess it would be good for a grading set. Also tuition.
Update: Trueview:
Tell me why this coin is a 62?
1960 PR Franklin. PR67 Not much to say here. I figured it for a 67. Was hoping for a cam, looked close but I didn't expect it, or maybe a 68. Yes when this is one of the 8 best coins you can round up, you aren't trying very hard.
Trueview in:
I had it Trueviewed since I knew if it went CAM I'd never get a good pic of it.
1886 Morgan $1 MS65 I knew this damn thing was a 65. Not a big dollar coin but it makes me happy. I knew it was a nice example but I dreaded a 64. I have some older pictures of the coin. They aren't great but it's all I have right now. The luster is great and it has some nice clashes on the reverse. I couldn't identify it as a VAM though.
1898 Morgan $1 MS66+ This is the coin that makes it all worthwhile. I was hoping for maybe a 65+ on one of these, but I'll take a 66+ any day! I really like this coin but thought the hits above the eye might limit it. Has a bit of nice rim toning as well. Here are some older pics that aren't very good. The reverse pic it horrible. I might have to send this one back in for Trueview.
1909-O Barber 25c I was worried on the 1909-0 Barber quarter due to some dark album toning on the reverse and a big hit on the nose and maybe a scratch by the hair ribbon. Thought I might get lucky with a F10 or even F12 if it didn't genuine. I think the detail is there for F10 but was net graded for the dark toning and hits. The red splotches on the obverse near the hair ribbon dissolved in acetone and are no longer there with no surface damage present. This coin was in my 7070 for about 6 years. Here is a not very good picture:
I'll try to post pics of the other coins if I can get some good shots when I get them back. I'm disappointed in a couple of coins and embarrassed by the Walker, but I am thrilled to make a 66+ on that 1898 Morgan. Opinions welcome. I can take the good with the bad.
Updated and added the 2 Trueviews I had done.
Order #20893459 / Submission #5170878
1 1 31783890 3680 1862 3CS USA AU53
2 1 31783891 5426 1853 25C USA XF40 Arrows & Rays
3 1 31783892 5673 1916 25C USA AU55 Barber
4 1 31783893 6618 1943 50C USA MS62
5 1 31783894 6701 1960 50C USA PR67
6 1 31783895 7166 1886 $1 USA MS65
7 1 31783896 7252 1898 $1 USA MS66+
8 1 31783897 5655 1909-O USA VG08
Total Items: 8
Date Received: 2/2/2015
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
I hadn't submitted anything since 2012 and those were just the 25th anniversary ASE sets. I wasn't happy with my past results with classics though I did have a few decent grades but also my share of body bags and less than stellar results. I also haven't had a lot of money for coins the past few years so I haven't had much need to submit anything. I finally bit the bullet when our hosts announced the CC price increase and bought the Gold membership on 12/29. I had a a couple of nice Morgan's and what I thought were nice Walkers kicking around for 3 or 4 years. I was on the fence about those coins and it had been holding them for possible submission. Frankly my confidence in my grading to PCGS standards isn't very high. Considering the first "super awesome" Morgan I sent in with my first submission came back MS-60. If you can't find the humor in that, well at least I certainly can. I'd also recently bought a couple of nice or at least what I thought were decent coins. I figured I could come up with 8 coins that were worth submitting. I also wanted to test myself and finally see what those 2 Morgans I was positive were at least 65's actually would grade.
Once I started going through my box of all things raw, I actually had trouble coming up with 8 coins without problems I thought were worth slabbing. The Morgans were both P mints, an 1886 and a 1898. I knew those were going and was pretty hopeful. They both looked like solid 65's to me and I was sick of wondering about them. They're the 2 best raw Morgan's I've ever found out in the wild. Both of them were bought locally for a good price. I don't pay strong prices for raw coins and expect them to grade out. Too risky for an inexperienced small fish like me. Some history: I've only been buying/selling coins since 2006. I've got a good dealer buddy that got me in to buying and selling scrap gold, silver, and coins when gold first got to around $650, enjoyed it and have been doing it ever sense. Learning about coins as I can. A lot of that knowledge has come from these boards so thank you to everyone. I'm lucky to work at the family business where I keep a small table in my office. People bring me things from time to time. Mostly junk and broken jewelry and some coins. I never make a lot in a year, but I enjoy it. I try to be honest and fair with people while protecting my interests and not overpaying.
As a collector I really don't have any focus at all, I would more call me an accumulator of a small amount of graded coins that if I ever do decide to get focused, I can sell as a stake to really begin a collection. As you can see none of these are big dollar or key date coins. Closest is the 1909-O Barber which is tough in Fine or better. Ok so on to this submission. It's a bit of a mixed bag but overall I'm pleased.
First things first: Amazing turn around. Coins entered on 2/2 and grades on 2/10. Bravo PCGS.
Second thing second: EVERYTHING GRADED. Small victories can be sweet sometimes.
1862 3CS AU53 This is not my coin. I was stuck at 7 coins and a buddy wanted it graded. Frankly I had no idea. Guessed it either a 55 or a 62. It also had what looked like a light scratch on the obverse. I told him it might genuine but he thought it was worth a shot. He'll probably be disappointed in the AU53. It had some luster under the fairly dark toning. I couldn't see obvious wear but I'm clueless on this series. Sorry no pics yet.
1853 A&R 25c. XF40 I really like this coin in hand. Has even grey surfaces that look original and really appealing to me. Hoped it was a 45 but knew it might not make it. Really thought the detail was there though. Still a great looking coin in my opinion. With what I paid for the coin, I'm not buried. No pics of this one yet either.
1916 Barber 25c AU55 This coin had me going between AU55 - MS62. I am terrible about seeing AU vs MS. I was hoping for low MS and I guess really didn't want to see the wear but I knew in my heart from the muted luster alone on the obverse, this coin would not go MS. I think if the luster on the obverse was as nice as the reverse, it would have went 58. Still not buried with what I paid for the coin. No pics yet either. I will update the thread with pics once I get the coins back.
1943 Walker 50c. MS62 What can I say. Time to go back to school. I really thought this coin was a 65 or better. Great luster and clean. Hopefully I can get some good pics and post them. I thought this was the best coin of the 3 MS Walkers I had. I could really use some pointers on this series. I guess it would be good for a grading set. Also tuition.
Update: Trueview:
Tell me why this coin is a 62?
1960 PR Franklin. PR67 Not much to say here. I figured it for a 67. Was hoping for a cam, looked close but I didn't expect it, or maybe a 68. Yes when this is one of the 8 best coins you can round up, you aren't trying very hard.
Trueview in:
I had it Trueviewed since I knew if it went CAM I'd never get a good pic of it.
1886 Morgan $1 MS65 I knew this damn thing was a 65. Not a big dollar coin but it makes me happy. I knew it was a nice example but I dreaded a 64. I have some older pictures of the coin. They aren't great but it's all I have right now. The luster is great and it has some nice clashes on the reverse. I couldn't identify it as a VAM though.
1898 Morgan $1 MS66+ This is the coin that makes it all worthwhile. I was hoping for maybe a 65+ on one of these, but I'll take a 66+ any day! I really like this coin but thought the hits above the eye might limit it. Has a bit of nice rim toning as well. Here are some older pics that aren't very good. The reverse pic it horrible. I might have to send this one back in for Trueview.
1909-O Barber 25c I was worried on the 1909-0 Barber quarter due to some dark album toning on the reverse and a big hit on the nose and maybe a scratch by the hair ribbon. Thought I might get lucky with a F10 or even F12 if it didn't genuine. I think the detail is there for F10 but was net graded for the dark toning and hits. The red splotches on the obverse near the hair ribbon dissolved in acetone and are no longer there with no surface damage present. This coin was in my 7070 for about 6 years. Here is a not very good picture:
I'll try to post pics of the other coins if I can get some good shots when I get them back. I'm disappointed in a couple of coins and embarrassed by the Walker, but I am thrilled to make a 66+ on that 1898 Morgan. Opinions welcome. I can take the good with the bad.
Updated and added the 2 Trueviews I had done.
GMan
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Hope you liked the grades.
edited to add: Is that a tiny die crack at 9:00?
The differences in grading standards for Morgans and Peace dollars continue to surprise me. A Peace dollar looking like that would be lucky to make it into a MS65 holder, tops....... I dunno.
Congratulations on a successful result across the board.
<< <i>I got excited with the grade on the 1916 quarter until I read it was a Barber
>>
That made me laugh. One can dream. Thanks for the congrats.
<< <i>Congrats on the 66+ Morgan.
The differences in grading standards for Morgans and Peace dollars continue to surprise me. A Peace dollar looking like that would be lucky to make it into a MS65 holder, tops....... I dunno. >>
I originally posted both those coins years ago (same pics) and asked what people thought. Nobody would even call it lock 65. So maybe it's just the pics or maybe I got lucky. That reverse pic is terrible but it's all I had. My luck it's a database error and it's really a 64+
I'll take better pics when I get it back and most likely send it back for a Trueview with the quarterly special before too long.
Edit: I found the original thread. Interesting to read now: Anyone think these 2 Morgan's might make MS-65? Updated pics!
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awesome thread in how you've presented it
reading it
i felt like i wasn't alone...i'm just a small fries type here
so i share your enjoyment right along with ya on this submission
even that "you suck" with your ms66+ as surely you didn't shell out much for what it now shows to be worth
exciting and a bearer of some hope that all this stuff just isn't a money pit of a hobby
but you bet
i love how you walked us along like over your shoulder here in your write
huge congrats
if it means anything...i give ya a "YOU SUCK"
sincerely
1898 Morgan !!! :-)
Hoard the keys.
Why is this limited to 62?
No CAM.
of course i don't have it in hand to know...but that looks like better then 65 luster...minor scuff and hit free...should be a 66 if you ask me
the frankie...another story though
trueviews of cameos...i have a hard time with being they're too dark
so dark the fields get lost in blackness....a person can't see the top surface of fields
i lightened your trueview
now i see it...too much mint bloom in the field for cam is my wag...especially by the date...i hope you don't mind a lightened version as i can pull it down
but it demonstrates the issue i have...one can't see the quality of the fields mirror when it's lost in blackness
Nice score on the 66+ Morgan.
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Well, just Love coins, period.
I think the Walker might have been net graded because of color/dipped. The surfaces seem acceptable enough where a higher grade is warranted. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. The coin is common and they are after all determining value.
The 1898 Morgan is, in my opinion, seriously overgraded at MS66+. I wouldn't give it more than a 64.
In regards to your comment about the dark toning on the Barber....
With circ Barber material, the majority of collectors prefer "dark". IMHO the reverse of your half is superb, if both sides were dark, I would have made you a very strong offer (if you were selling). But the lighter fields of the obverse would prevent me from offering premium $$$.
As for the Barber, I didn't know toning that dark was preferable to some collectors. I'm just happy it straight graded as I had some doubts. I think it's a bit nicer in hand than that image. The nose hit isn't as pronounced and some gunk came off with the acetone soak. Not a bad coin and this date isn't getting any easier to find.
I'm really pleased with the 1898 to be sure. To be honest, the pictures I posted don't make it look like a 66+ to me either. However, they are not very good pics. I'm definitely going to send it back in for a Trueview. In hand it has a very clean cheek with fantastic luster. Yes it has some light hits that magnified look worse than they do with the naked eye, and it may not be the best 66+ out there, but from looking at the few I could find on Heritage, I think it's good for the grade.
the grades on the labels are the same as your electronic results. Good luck!
<< <i>I always enjoy reading criticisms of PCGS grades from a PICTURE when they had the coin in hand. And at least a couple of grades as well.... >>
^^^
those who offer opinions are at least offering opinions...they have a voice...and notably are offering opinions on coins
not on other people who are replying in a thread
it's the quiet ones that can make a person question their presence
pcgs makes mistakes...but their consistency rate is very high,respectable and noteworthy as being a very high rate
we as people make mistakes...unless we clam up with pride
this thing about grading from images...it's something we all do....<<< WE ALL DO
many a coin has been bought from a catalog's image....under a grade appraisal made by it's buyer
many authors of numismatic specialized reference textbooks devote chapters to what one is to look for in images
this "criticisms of PCGS grades from a PICTURE" thing....is why even pcgs themselves offer photograde
is for those who submit coins for grading to appraise their coins for a submission
to assess their values to be claimed on submission forms and finally to select the right service level coins should be sent in under
why imply assessing and grading from an image to be something of ill report here?
toss that walker up along side the photograde images of walkers...it's what even pcgs wants us to do
they even have a video...titled..."New PCGS PhotogradeTM Online lets just about anyone get approximate grades for their coins."
I am not saying that PCGS is perfect as no grader is perfect. Sometimes people enjoy making a statement regarding grading that is just that, a statement, not necessarily accurate. My comment was addressing that an opinion is not necessarily fact in these cases. Certainly everyone gets to share their opinion here freely, and that includes my opinion of their opinion....lol
It is true that PCGS has money on the line. The actual price guide on an 1898 64 is $80, 66+ is $1400. They must have seen something in the coin that made it worthwhile or they wouldn't have put the grade on the label (assuming it's not some kind of clerical error which I doubt). Regardless I can't be anything but happy with the grade, even if some others don't think it's solid. I wish I could submit directly to CAC but I can't. I would like their opinion as well.
<< <i>..... lest anyone take my last post as criticism.... it isn't. When in doubt, I generally put more stock in the opinion of three professional graders than my own. In this case, there remains a significant gap between their understanding of that particular coin and my own. There could be lots of potential reasons for that. >>
stand it on it's edge on a piece of paper
if it's unc....it will reflect the paper fully
if it's au...they'll be a line that appears and doesn't reflect.....going up the center of it
surely you know that trick
291fifth may be right...it maybe an au58 that got bumped for eye appeal to ms62
Well, just Love coins, period.
if it's au...you'll know it...as that line that breaks reflection...well...it pops right up
but if unc
you got a full mirror going on with no break in reflection
i'm sorry for being brash there or offensive in anyway
<< <i>hey deepcoin
i'm sorry for being brash there or offensive in anyway
What did you do
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<< <i>hey deepcoin
i'm sorry for being brash there or offensive in anyway
What did you do
let my trigger fingers type
made a public apology for brashness versus private...means a lil more
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<< <i>hey deepcoin
i'm sorry for being brash there or offensive in anyway
What did you do
let my trigger fingers type
made a public apology for brashness versus private...means a lil more >>
I'm just playing with ya. I have a hard time with you, Ted, being abrasive in any kinda way. I just can not believe it!
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<< <i>hey deepcoin
i'm sorry for being brash there or offensive in anyway
What did you do
let my trigger fingers type
made a public apology for brashness versus private...means a lil more >>
I'm just playing with ya. I have a hard time with you, Ted, being abrasive in any kinda way. I just can not believe it! >>
it's probably a deep seeded thing with you buying all the sweet buffaloes that hit the open range
keep your powder dry i say
as we could go flintlocks at 50 paces but i'd be looking anytime after 40 paces in.....just incase
you're all good there crazy
love ya
When I get time I'll set up the camera and try to get some decent pics of all the coins. I'm going to send this back in for Trueview next week because my photog skills stink.
Very happy with the 66+ 1898!