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1923-s buffalo grade opinion ***update with my image***

lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
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is my example borderline gradable with toning/corrosion?
grade guesses looking at these 2
thanks in advance too

darn reverse really throws me for a loop

for grade guessing...on top here is a pcgs ms62...ebay #201259911161
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my example...rough image to work with....but enough to guess on
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in hand image...best i could do...looks like a 75% shot at grading as corrosion isn't that bad for grade/mostly it's an alloy mix issue...grade...vf35/xf40....i'll update after submission
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    CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭


    XF

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 2nd coin could be AU as long as there is plenty of luster. If minimal luster than just XF. The reverse of the MS62 sure doesn't look unc to me. But flat strikes can be tricky.
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    kevinstangkevinstang Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    Is yours a 2 feather or 2 1/2 feather- hard to see with toning. Reverse I think is usually found pretty weak on the '23-S. I would say definately a XF or shot at AU+, but if thats the color on obverse not sure it would grade.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    tough series i swear
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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS 63
    XF
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    side by side reverse's...could there really be like 17 point difference there?
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a strong XF but looks to have some considerable corrosion. That corrosion would knock it down to a Fine 15 level IMO.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,256 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll guess XF-40 or so. Yes it does have corrosion so the grade goes out the window.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭✭
    XF-Det on the bottom one
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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd be shocked if that one str8 graded.

    XF 40 otherwise.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    thanks everyone
    i've got some prized and respected input here on an iffy buy for sure with a safe price to it though

    "i'll up-date this thread when it gets back from the wonderful graders of oz"

    initially i had saw just a mere vf-ish but after that 62 listed it had me wondering on 1923-s dies n strikes
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    gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    I don't understand the MS62 grade. There is far too much flatness on the hip to attribute merely to a so-so strike. Moreover, the excellent images reveal quite a few ticks. There are too many for that piece to be uncirculated. My initial guess was AU55.
    This issue is one of the toughest to grade in the entire series.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like most of the branch Mint dates from around 1919 thru 1935 many coins were struck from worn out, badly eroded reverse (and sometimes obverse) dies. This erosion can confuse the issue between erosion and corrosion and sometimes even disguise the corrosion (I know-too many osions there.) See the section of my book concerning this, Teddy.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And the MS62 looks to have a very slight amount of wear on the upper part of the left rear leg. I've seen many coins from the TPG that have a tiny bit of wear on the MS60, 61, and 62 grades.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    35 if it grades at all.....Cheers, RickO
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    oh well
    he'll get a shot at grading

    $25. delivered
    surely many wouldn't pass it up

    i do buy sweet coins too...image
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    updated with my best shot at imaging "bottom image is mine"
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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's a very nice album coin.
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