Home› U.S. Coin Forum
Options

Such an odd submission...

RampageRampage Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
in U.S. Coin Forum
Why would anyone counterfeit one-cent pieces if these dates? And, this submission has so many different types of coins that I see at least three submission tiers all on the same one.



Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 30998728 527916 (1961) 1C CSA-Bashlow Restrike USA MS67RD
2 1 30998729 2726 1944-D/S 1C USA AU50BN
3 1 30998730 5844 1950-S 25C USA VF20
4 1 30998731 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - Fine Details (92 - Cleaned)
5 1 30998732 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - (99 - PVC Residue)
6 1 30998733 11112 Various Various Error USA MS63BN
7 1 30998734 3576 1864 2C Large Motto USA Genuine - VG Details (98 - Damage)
8 1 30998735 2130 1878 1C USA Genuine - Fine Details (98 - Damage)
9 1 30998736 2657 1937 1C USA Counterfeit
10 1 30998737 2888 1964 1C USA Counterfeit
11 1 30998738 2930 1970 1C USA Counterfeit






Comments

  • Options
    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    i saw that one too

    last 3 coins...counterfeit
    a 1964 counterfeit cent....wow

    there was a sub up yesterday that had close to about a dozen indian cents...only one made grade
    the rest were counterfeit
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • Options
    AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i saw that one too

    last 3 coins...counterfeit
    a 1964 counterfeit cent....wow

    >>



    I am with LV Teddy, its not so much the submission, but that we have come down to counterfeiting common date Memorial cents? image
  • Options
    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is bizarre. Maybe someone's testing PCGS?
  • Options
    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    here's that one sub
    image


    and here's a what and why...look at turnaround time there....express?
    image
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • Options
    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 7,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That looks like a red flag to me too. I would guess before you go after trying to make more exspensive counterfeits, you want to see if your craft is good enough to squeak by the experts. I bet PCGS has the submitter marked for future submissions.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • Options
    DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm not too familiar with these things, but for a variety of reasons I thought they used the term "Questionable Authenticity"?
  • Options
    CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm not too familiar with these things, but for a variety of reasons I thought they used the term "Questionable Authenticity"? >>



    Not if they are certain the coin is counterfeit. For coins too damaged to be sure one way or the other they will then use the questionable authenticity label.
    Zircon Cases - Protect Your Vintage Slabs www.ZirconCases.com
    Former CoFounder of Choice Numismatics

    All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
  • Options
    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    one can only imagine what shared order submission pages from pcgs china looks like image
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • Options
    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To be fair, the 1970 cent was the size of a desert plate.
  • Options
    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭
    I'm suspecting faked error coins.
    --

    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • Options
    TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭✭
    I would love to see images of some of these coins!
  • Options
    OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why would anyone counterfeit one-cent pieces if these dates? And, this submission has so many different types of coins that I see at least three submission tiers all on the same one.



    Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
    1 1 30998728 527916 (1961) 1C CSA-Bashlow Restrike USA MS67RD
    2 1 30998729 2726 1944-D/S 1C USA AU50BN
    3 1 30998730 5844 1950-S 25C USA VF20
    4 1 30998731 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - Fine Details (92 - Cleaned)
    5 1 30998732 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - (99 - PVC Residue)
    6 1 30998733 11112 Various Various Error USA MS63BN
    7 1 30998734 3576 1864 2C Large Motto USA Genuine - VG Details (98 - Damage)
    8 1 30998735 2130 1878 1C USA Genuine - Fine Details (98 - Damage)
    9 1 30998736 2657 1937 1C USA Counterfeit
    10 1 30998737 2888 1964 1C USA Counterfeit
    11 1 30998738 2930 1970 1C USA Counterfeit >>



    Just wondering how many of these coins you bought on eBay??

    I share with you, though, that the submission process is not really complete when the coin(s) are body bagged without any explanation. Perhaps PCGS could offer a premium service wherein the grader justified the grade..... Then we have a chance to learn something!

    OINK
  • Options
    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought Pcgs used Questionable Authenticity instead of counterfiet...
    Trade $'s
  • Options
    RampageRampage Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought Pcgs used Questionable Authenticity instead of counterfiet... >>


    Nope, they use both. See above comment regarding that.
  • Options
    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    May be a foreign submitter not familiar with US coins - just a guess.
    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • Options
    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,229 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm suspecting faked error coins. >>



    That was my first thought. There were some fake multi-strike 1964 cents that came out in 1964 or 1965 that can now be proven to be counterfeits.
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • Options
    Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That looks like a red flag to me too. I would guess before you go after trying to make more exspensive counterfeits, you want to see if your craft is good enough to squeak by the experts. I bet PCGS has the submitter marked for future submissions.

    WS >>



    image

    x100
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.....

    Successful BST xactions w/PCcoins, Drunner, Manofcoins, Rampage, docg, Poppee, RobKool, and MichealDixon.
  • Options
    IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Given the low-value nature of the other coins in the submission, I would guess that the last three pieces are just plated.

    The submittor probably thought they were off-metal errors. We see those all the time at the shop.
  • Options
    pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 6,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Someone might want to provide a link on this submission 20872719. 8-8 and all counterfeit.
    Pocketpiececommemoratives

    Lafayette Grading Set

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Format
SpoilerCodeQuote
Heading 2Heading 1
Emoji
:):D:(;):/:o:s:p:'(:|B):#:*<3o:)>:)
Url
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Home • U.S. Coin ForumComment As ...