Such an odd submission...

Rampage

Why would anyone counterfeit one-cent pieces if these dates? And, this submission has so many different types of coins that I see at least three submission tiers all on the same one.



Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 30998728 527916 (1961) 1C CSA-Bashlow Restrike USA MS67RD
2 1 30998729 2726 1944-D/S 1C USA AU50BN
3 1 30998730 5844 1950-S 25C USA VF20
4 1 30998731 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - Fine Details (92 - Cleaned)
5 1 30998732 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - (99 - PVC Residue)
6 1 30998733 11112 Various Various Error USA MS63BN
7 1 30998734 3576 1864 2C Large Motto USA Genuine - VG Details (98 - Damage)
8 1 30998735 2130 1878 1C USA Genuine - Fine Details (98 - Damage)
9 1 30998736 2657 1937 1C USA Counterfeit
10 1 30998737 2888 1964 1C USA Counterfeit
11 1 30998738 2930 1970 1C USA Counterfeit

lasvegasteddy

i saw that one too

last 3 coins...counterfeit
a 1964 counterfeit cent....wow

there was a sub up yesterday that had close to about a dozen indian cents...only one made grade
the rest were counterfeit

AngryTurtle

<< <i>i saw that one too

last 3 coins...counterfeit
a 1964 counterfeit cent....wow

>>



I am with LV Teddy, its not so much the submission, but that we have come down to counterfeiting common date Memorial cents?

ms70

That is bizarre. Maybe someone's testing PCGS?

lasvegasteddy

here's that one sub



and here's a what and why...look at turnaround time there....express?

WaterSport

That looks like a red flag to me too. I would guess before you go after trying to make more exspensive counterfeits, you want to see if your craft is good enough to squeak by the experts. I bet PCGS has the submitter marked for future submissions.

WS

Davideo

I'm not too familiar with these things, but for a variety of reasons I thought they used the term "Questionable Authenticity"?

CuKevin

<< <i>I'm not too familiar with these things, but for a variety of reasons I thought they used the term "Questionable Authenticity"? >>



Not if they are certain the coin is counterfeit. For coins too damaged to be sure one way or the other they will then use the questionable authenticity label.

lasvegasteddy

one can only imagine what shared order submission pages from pcgs china looks like

braddick

To be fair, the 1970 cent was the size of a desert plate.

Aegis3

I'm suspecting faked error coins.

Tookybandit

I would love to see images of some of these coins!

OldIndianNutKase

<< <i>Why would anyone counterfeit one-cent pieces if these dates? And, this submission has so many different types of coins that I see at least three submission tiers all on the same one.



Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 30998728 527916 (1961) 1C CSA-Bashlow Restrike USA MS67RD
2 1 30998729 2726 1944-D/S 1C USA AU50BN
3 1 30998730 5844 1950-S 25C USA VF20
4 1 30998731 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - Fine Details (92 - Cleaned)
5 1 30998732 5844 1950-S 25C USA Genuine - (99 - PVC Residue)
6 1 30998733 11112 Various Various Error USA MS63BN
7 1 30998734 3576 1864 2C Large Motto USA Genuine - VG Details (98 - Damage)
8 1 30998735 2130 1878 1C USA Genuine - Fine Details (98 - Damage)
9 1 30998736 2657 1937 1C USA Counterfeit
10 1 30998737 2888 1964 1C USA Counterfeit
11 1 30998738 2930 1970 1C USA Counterfeit >>



Just wondering how many of these coins you bought on eBay??

I share with you, though, that the submission process is not really complete when the coin(s) are body bagged without any explanation. Perhaps PCGS could offer a premium service wherein the grader justified the grade..... Then we have a chance to learn something!

OINK

TennesseeDave

I thought Pcgs used Questionable Authenticity instead of counterfiet...

Rampage

<< <i>I thought Pcgs used Questionable Authenticity instead of counterfiet... >>


Nope, they use both. See above comment regarding that.

1Mike1

May be a foreign submitter not familiar with US coins - just a guess.

CaptHenway

<< <i>I'm suspecting faked error coins. >>



That was my first thought. There were some fake multi-strike 1964 cents that came out in 1964 or 1965 that can now be proven to be counterfeits.

Bankerbob56

<< <i>That looks like a red flag to me too. I would guess before you go after trying to make more exspensive counterfeits, you want to see if your craft is good enough to squeak by the experts. I bet PCGS has the submitter marked for future submissions.

WS >>





x100

IrishMikey

Given the low-value nature of the other coins in the submission, I would guess that the last three pieces are just plated.

The submittor probably thought they were off-metal errors. We see those all the time at the shop.

pocketpiececommems

Someone might want to provide a link on this submission 20872719. 8-8 and all counterfeit.