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1916 "Three legged" Buffalo

koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here's my 1916 "3 Legged" Buffalo

http://s56.photobucket.com/upload/

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As you can see-even after 12 1/2 years here I STILL have trouble posting photos. I haven't posted a photo for years and things have changed. So-my apologies-let me try again later.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    i like tinypic.com

    simple just browse my files...upload
    copy from 2nd line
    paste direct into text body here

    easy as ...A-B-C

    image
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not to worry koynekwest....I have still not mastered posting photo's...likely never will... Cheers, RickO
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's to bad as I would LOVE to see this one, Ron.
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Me too!
    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give me a day or two-I'll do my best to figure it out. I'm sure it's something simple. Tom-you've seen it before-in person. How do you go about posting pics here? I might try the one Teddy recommends.
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    OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Me three.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's a macro of the obv-

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/19163LREVCU_0001.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    A macro of the rev-

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/19163LREVCU_0005.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    A closeup of the missing leg-

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/19163LREVCU_0002.jpg.html]image[/URL]
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An outstanding buffalo -- and just when you thought u have seen it all something like this comes along!!
    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right you are, Tom. It knocked my socks off when I saw it for sure. BTW-Thanks to one and all who helped! Tom finally got the little light to "turn on" via the telephone ten minutes ago. I'll try my best not to forget again-I think I'll get plenty of practice as I have more pics to post!
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    awesome buff here
    is this a discovery piece?

    any background info...like
    ebay find?
    yard sale or fleamarket?
    coin show?

    did you pay a premium for it or was it cheap?
    what type of guesstimate on market value?
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes-the discovery piece. I got it off ebay in June, 2008 for $15. I've never seen another but a few more might be out there. The main thing about this one is, unlike the '37-D and all the 3 1/2 legged dates known which are all abraded dies, is that this one is a FILLED die.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Teddy asked market value-I was offered $500 for it; I think it's worth more. But really-who knows? I'd rather keep it anyhow-looks nice next to my '37-D.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes-the discovery piece. I got it off ebay in June, 2008 for $15. I've never seen another but a few more might be out there. The main thing about this one is, unlike the '37-D and all the 3 1/2 legged dates known which are all abraded dies, is that this one is a FILLED die. >>



    coolness and thanks too as it adds to the excitement knowing a lil background

    yayy
    a discovery piece
    huge congrats there ron
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    OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool coin. If it was mine, I wouldn't sell it either. Looking forward to seeing more of your collection.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    so i know looking at the front legs...this would be a 3 leg
    but man-o-man
    those back legs....leg in forefront looks like it has a another 1/2 to it

    what a year this 1916 is...

    one could buy a matte proof
    an awesome double die obverse
    then a 3 leg too

    toss in a high lofty ms67
    toss in a candied colored rainbow

    sweet
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!!! Outstanding!!!! I have never in my life seen one of these. image
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "what a year this 1916 is...

    one could buy a matte proof
    an awesome double die obverse
    then a 3 leg too

    toss in a high lofty ms67
    toss in a candied colored rainbow"

    I have a rainbow 1916 too. Seems there are a few of this date around with knockout color. Certain dates are a little more common with high color-1913 Var 1 and Var 2, 1916, 1938-D come to mind. To add a little challenge to my date set I'm trying to assemble a rainbow toned set. I cherried a '16 MP a few years back in a 2nd tier MS64 slab-it's part of my proof Buff set-now resides in a PCGS PR65 slab.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    " I cherried a '16 MP a few years back in a 2nd tier MS64 slab-it's part of my proof Buff set-now resides in a PCGS PR65 slab."

    uh...uh...whud?

    you cherried a 16 matte proof from a ms slab
    wow

    "YOU SUCK !!! "

    post an image someday as i'd love to see...please

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let me upload it on Photobucket and I'll post an image here later.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Ron - Are you sure this is an abraided die? It looks like a clogged die.




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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Is there a diagnostic to determine this is a mint-made missing leg?

    I think I saw displaced metal which might indicate PMD...
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No signs of any removal. Shows the characteristic filled die features, including the raised line you see where the filled die wasn't entirely filled. Hasn't been messed with that I can tell. At any rate it's on it's way to PCGS for slabbing-I'm quite confident it'll slab ok.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ron - Are you sure this is an abraided die? It looks like a clogged die. >>



    Chris-It IS a filled die-I've known that since I got it. Too bad it isn't an abraded die like the '37-D-might be worth a small fortune in that case.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Teddy asked market value-I was offered $500 for it; I think it's worth more. But really-who knows? I'd rather keep it anyhow-looks nice next to my '37-D. >>



    $500 seems like an extremely generous offer if it is nothing more than a filled-die error...

    IMO.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the location of the filled die has more to do with the possible value than the fact that it's only a filled die. As I said-I'd rather keep it-for one thing it's a nice conversation piece.

    On a different note here's the 1916 proof Buff I mentioned earlier. I cherried this in 2006.
    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/MYCOINS05C1916SATINPROOFOBVSLAB.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/MYCOINS05C1916SATINPROOFOBVCU.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/MYCOINS05C1916SATINPROOFREVCU.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    [URL=http://s56.photobucket.com/user/coinquest1961/media/1916proof.jpg.html]image[/URL]
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ron - Are you sure this is an abraided die? It looks like a clogged die. >>



    Chris-It IS a filled die-I've known that since I got it. Too bad it isn't an abraded die like the '37-D-might be worth a small fortune in that case. >>



    Sorry about that Ron. I see now that you mentioned it being a filled die in an earlier post. I skipped to the image and assumed you believed this to be an abraided die.

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    what a gorgeous proof to of cherried !!!!
    thanks for posting that...you bet....YOU SUCK

    so this was that other area that looks neat....like doubling on that back leg pointed out here
    image
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a die clash, Teddy.
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That's a die clash, Teddy. >>


    cool then ...just adds a lil more character
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671 ✭
    Ha I will stick with my Roosies, no 3 legged ones there.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ha I will stick with my Roosies, no 3 legged ones there. >>



    Any with 3/4 flame?
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Speaking of 1916 buffaloes, here is my favorite, a business strike ms65. Color to cry for.

    [URL=http://s1012.photobucket.com/user/buffnixx/media/BgZq9BWkKGrHqYOKkIErz8eJDoBLFIoSM6dw_12.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    [URL=http://s1012.photobucket.com/user/buffnixx/media/BgZr4wWkKGrHqMOKiUErzGbPLQBLFIoVst3w_12.jpg.html]image[/URL]

    bought if off of ebay as an ms64 and got an ms65 from pcgs. It has the proof diagnostic straight line on the
    reverse at 8 oclock. Supposedly only some 1913 type two, 1914, and 1915 business strikes are supposed to have this straight line and this is the only 1916 I have ever seen with this line. (See Scott Traveras book "Coin Collectors' Survival Manual") The business strikes having this line may have been struck from left over matte proof dies.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    BUFFNIXX - That coin has the peripheral detail of a proof. LIBERTY is as strong as I've ever seen.


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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671 ✭
    Hey I really like the 3/4 flame, never would have though of that, well done!!

    Actually I really like Buffalo's but they are out of my league so I will stick with the flame, maybe it can keep me warm.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gotta have a full flame to keep warm!
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>BUFFNIXX - That coin has the peripheral detail of a proof. LIBERTY is as strong as I've ever seen. >>



    Chris-not nearly a sharp enough strike for a proof-note the less than full strike at the knot and at the high point of the bison's upper front leg. Rims aren't uniformly wide and flat either-indistinct from about 2 o'clock to 9 o'clock on the obv. So not a proof IMO.
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lets just call this MS65 business strike matte proof-like! then
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That might be an acceptable. If a "shiny" coin can be prooflike I don't see why a coin with matte-like surfaces couldn't be matte-prooflike. You may have "coined" a new term there.
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As time goes buy more and more coins show up on ebay. There is probably no end to the varieties out there that can be cherried for next to nothing. You just have to have the knowledge and then the time and patience and persistence. A few months ago I got an ngc good-04 over date buffalo nickel that was listed as "1918-d" instead of "1918/7-d". Dealer probably never looked at the coin himself just went on what the grading service said. Just a labeling error by ngc as there was no doubt that it was an overdate. So here is an $1100 coin (by pcgs trends) that was had for $14.00. So keep looking and the next big one might just be around the corner.
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There were 11 1916 doubled die obverse nickels on ebay today!
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    OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There were 11 1916 doubled die obverse nickels on ebay today! >>



    Noticed that too, including some really nice ones that are far above my reach. Any speculation why so many all of a sudden?
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