Lucky fellow unrolls an Oregon Mint Morgan....

MGLICKER · December 12, 2014 2:24PM

.....at 2:18

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Ajjohnson77 · December 12, 2014 2:46PM

I don't know what he's talking about. But that's the first time I have seen an original roll opened. It was like looking at porn for the first time. Am I crazy?

MGLICKER · December 12, 2014 3:07PM

<< I don't know what he's talking about. But that's the first time I have seen an original roll opened. It was like looking at porn for the first time. Am I crazy? >>

Not crazy but some of those "bank rolls" are as genuine as a porn stars moan!

TonerGuy · December 12, 2014 3:15PM

Yes the Oregon Mint. Sister mint to the S or Seattle Mint. Not to be confused with the P or Portland Mint.

Its amazing they know DMPL but dont know the mints...

segoja · December 12, 2014 3:34PM

Bogus

Only a few of the edges are toned and the end roll had absolutely no color. The edges should be uniform in color and they are not. Ever open a roll of anything from the 50's? the edges look identical.

So this has been sitting in a bank for 110 years and there is no color? Let me think...there was a small catastrophe in San Fransisco AFTER this rill was put up and it's still in pristine shape...maybe it looks like it was made yesterday because it was

AMRC · December 12, 2014 3:36PM

Did anyone else cringe when they dragged the stacks?

MrEureka · December 12, 2014 3:44PM

Did anyone else cringe when they dragged the stacks?

A little, but I figured it was OK because he was wearing gloves.

Kyle · December 12, 2014 3:48PM

<< Did anyone else cringe when they dragged the stacks?

A little, but I figured it was OK because he was wearing gloves. >>

morgansforever · December 12, 2014 9:07PM

Seems there's a never ending supply of Morgan rolls. This particular one must really entice bidders, with a CC on one end. $5750 with 2.5 days to go. Think it will reach 7k?

OBW

lasvegasteddy · December 12, 2014 9:23PM

<< Seems there's a never ending supply of Morgan rolls. This particular one must really entice bidders, with a CC on one end. $5750 with 2.5 days to go. Think it will reach 7k?

OBW >>

wow
original roll of "CC" morgans....what a sight

i for one would have mixed emotions about removing those from that roll

totally agree with bogus too
those edges would have uniform brown or black with that paper on them for 110 years

morgansforever · December 12, 2014 9:51PM

<<wow
original roll of "CC" morgans....what a sight>>

You'll receive one for sure, maybe 2, the rest who knows. One thing is for certain, these rolls always go for stupid money.

grote15 · December 12, 2014 10:26PM

This neutral feedback for a roll advertised as a Gem BU roll of 1961-D quarters would give me pause, too, as a buyer:

Funny how 2 BU 1961 D's ended up on ends of so-called UNSEARCHED OBW rest all AG

morgansforever · December 12, 2014 10:48PM

The roll in the vid was purchased for $2600 from valleyforgecoin, found the FB with the url to the OP's video. What's up with the SDB story?

Scroll down to the 4th FB. Most of the coins are probably 62/63 maybe a 4 sprinkled in and all common dates. IMO the buyer paid double retail.
unwraping FB/vidurl

MsMorrisine · December 12, 2014 11:10PM

There are many cringe moments in that video

At least it wasn't over $5k spent

The paper isn't aged and is uniform. The end is not flattened some but is round.

The coins are marked from being IN the roll? Vs the rolling process vs being bagged first?

Then they are slid on the table.

Ah, wait, what's this date and mm? Looks it up: common and you hear the disappointment and realization really set in.

Even the edges are mostly untoned .

One end roll toner in the bunch? Just one? No red flag raised off that?

And there are more not mentioned (fewer spoilers here)

Watch the video for more painful moments.

They guy had real expectations though.

kaz · December 12, 2014 11:32PM

I haven't cringed as much since watching episodes of "The Office."

Nice detective work, Morgansforever! That seller has a number of Morgan rolls for bid, including one up to 3,550.00 now. Miraculously, all the coins are blast white, and several rolls have a CC on an end coin! Amazing! They all are in the same nice even brown paper rolls.
The last original roll of coins that I saw was a roll of IHC's found in a desk and the paper was absolutely disintegrating. No way those rolls are 100+ years old, with all the effort it takes to peel the paper back. Another triumph of hope over experience.

TwoSides2aCoin · December 12, 2014 11:44PM

I challenge anyone to watch this video and not laugh when you hear the crunching sound every time an airtite is squeezed together.

Go ahead. I dare ya.

Ajjohnson77 · December 12, 2014 11:48PM

Glad I didn't watch past the Oregon Mint comment.

morgansforever · December 13, 2014 12:00AM

<<Nice detective work, Morgansforever! That seller has a number of Morgan rolls for bid, including one up to 3,550.00 now>>

Thanks, actually I was looking for FB pertaining to Morgan rolls and just stumbled on the one in the vid. Curious as to what the final hammer will be on that CC roll, currently at $5750. I'm guessing it will surpass $6k with ease.

kaz · December 13, 2014 12:14AM

Wow, that thing is zooming. This guy has a cash cow and it's being steadily milked.

Broadstruck · December 13, 2014 12:18AM

Thought it was being unrolled by a Mime since the sound didn't work the first time viewed

pcunix · December 13, 2014 12:23AM

<< Yes the Oregon Mint. Sister mint to the S or Seattle Mint. Not to be confused with the P or Portland Mint.

Its amazing they know DMPL but dont know the mints... >>

I had to laugh when he said that

<< Bogus

Only a few of the edges are toned and the end roll had absolutely no color. The edges should be uniform in color and they are not. Ever open a roll of anything from the 50's? the edges look identical.

So this has been sitting in a bank for 110 years and there is no color? Let me think...there was a small catastrophe in San Fransisco AFTER this rill was put up and it's still in pristine shape...maybe it looks like it was made yesterday because it was

>>

Exactly.

rmpsrpms · December 13, 2014 12:40AM

The roll is obviously machine-crimped. The machines to do this were not invented until the 'teens, so this is for sure a later-date rewrap job.

commoncents05 · December 13, 2014 12:49AM

eBay Seller Valleyforgecoin is a known scammer. He has knowingly sold counterfeit PCGS holders on eBay and elsewhere. Long story short, I bought one and had to get local law enforcement involved to get my money back. He's pretty young so we had to contact his parents who guilted him into paying me back.

-Paul

ricko · December 13, 2014 1:07AM

That was sad..... what rank amateur scam artists.... three coins with edge tarnish'inside the roll'..... Cheers, RickO

Ethan · December 13, 2014 1:37AM

That was COOOOOL! thanks!

ms70 · December 13, 2014 1:47AM

Maybe they did make coins at The Dalles Mint.

BStrauss3 · December 13, 2014 1:55AM

By "the 'teens" are you referencing this: https://www.google.com/patents/US1339808 ? There's also a referenced 1901 invention with two rollers where one placed the wrapper on the rollers and then turns them to wrap a stack of coins. The interesting thing is the 1919 patent includes this:

<< My present invention relates to an improved coin wrapping machine, of the hand operated type, which is designed for accuracy and facility in performing its functions, and which may be adapted for use with coins of various denominations, to wrap the usual paper covering over the roll of coins, the tucking in of the ends of the wrapper being accomplished by the operator after the roll is made. >>

Note "the usual paper covering" - means by 1919 these were definitely considered common.

The earliest patent for coin wrapping I've found is 1878 - https://www.google.com/patents/US209985, which shows a die-cut rectangle with fold-over ears. BUT the form of the blank is NOT part of the patent claims, nor is a patent for it referenced. But an "original" 1878 roll per that invention would have solid glued flat ends.

rmpsrpms · December 13, 2014 3:01AM

<< By "the 'teens" are you referencing this: https://www.google.com/patents/US1339808 ? There's also a referenced 1901 invention with two rollers where one placed the wrapper on the rollers and then turns them to wrap a stack of coins. The interesting thing is the 1919 patent includes this: >>

No, the one you reference from Chamberlin is quite late, well after Batdorf's seminal patents while at Auto Coin Wrapping Machine Co and Universal Coinwrapping Machine Co. Take a look here:

Coin Wrapping Patents

AUandAG · December 13, 2014 3:06AM

I sent Valleyforge (seller) a note regarding this CC roll, on Dec 8th and have not yet
received a response.
bob

Dear valleyforgecoin,

Just curious how you think that this is not a made up roll? Yes the bank existed but it was out of business in 1903. Paper rolls of this type (machine rolled) did not come about until at least 1909 and perhaps later. So, how is this not a made up (for ebay) roll?
Certainly it would be easy to do today.

bob

segoja · December 13, 2014 3:47AM

How does a seller like Valley Forge have all 4.9/5.0 DSR's?

Read his comments and it's full of slow ship/little communication etc............

Makes me wonder

MGLICKER · December 14, 2014 4:01AM

Rather tasteless comments on the fellows Youtube page. Guess that is what this place would look like without moderation.

Edit: To his credit, the gentleman addressed the more civil comments.

garrynot · December 14, 2014 4:12AM

Some of the comments to the video are hilarious.

CoinCrazyPA · December 14, 2014 6:15AM

+1 ROFL

CoinCrazyPA · December 14, 2014 6:16AM

<< 

<< Did anyone else cringe when they dragged the stacks?

A little, but I figured it was OK because he was wearing gloves. >>

>>

+2 ROFL

Treashunt · December 15, 2014 11:40PM

neat.

that DMPL at 4:48 was pretty

johnny9434 · December 16, 2014 5:24AM

it never ceases what people will try to pass off.

roadrunner · December 16, 2014 7:31AM

Note to self when opening OBW silver dollar rolls:

Use gloves....and a hard table w/o any cloth/felt protection for when you start stacking them.
Before sealing in the cointain, blow/spit away any dust inside the cointain that might contaminate the coin. You wouldn't want that! And only blow on one side of the contain as everyone knows only one side has dust.
Slide the cointain hard across the table top as if you were sending a beer down the bar. A few scratches on the new cointain is no problem....especially if you just bought them.

Valley Forge are members of ANA, PCGS, NGC, and CAC....what's not to like?

OK...how do I get those 14 minutes of my life back?

morgansforever · December 16, 2014 7:46AM

Someone is gonna be really disappointed, not the seller though, final hammer $9k.

$9000 roll of Morgans, ouch!

roadrunner · December 16, 2014 8:08AM

From toolhaus/org:

Took A very long time to ship Buyer:
b***b
During past 6 months - Genuine OBW GEM BU Morgan Dollar Roll Proof-Like S-Mint "Crocker-Woolworth SF" (#221490553119) US $4,500.03

Same type roll going for $4500 in the past 6 months too. Maybe it was shilled up to $4500 the first time through?

More Crocker rolls than you can shake a stick at - using gloves of course.

Lucky fellow unrolls an Oregon Mint Morgan....

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