How do I find the 12/31/1989 population report?

toyz4geo · November 20, 2014 11:54PM

I am looking for Jefferson nickels in the old rattler holder. It was suggested to me to check the 12/31/89 population report to see how many had been certified, realizing a lot probably resubmitted for upgrades and FS designation. I am curious if and how I can access that report.
Any help or thoughts or how to's out there?
Thanks,
George

Boosibri · November 21, 2014 12:04AM

<< I am looking for Jefferson nickels in the old rattler holder. It was suggested to me to check the 12/31/89 population report to see how many had been certified, realizing a lot probably resubmitted for upgrades and FS designation. I am curious if and how I can access that report.
Any help or thoughts or how tos out there?
Thanks,
George >>

toyz4geo · November 21, 2014 1:11AM

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<< I am looking for Jefferson nickels in the old rattler holder. It was suggested to me to check the 12/31/89 population report to see how many had been certified, realizing a lot probably resubmitted for upgrades and FS designation. I am curious if and how I can access that report.
Any help or thoughts or how tos out there?
Thanks,
George >>

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Kinda what I was afraid of. However, when I get back there, anything special I should pick up?

DennisH · November 21, 2014 1:26AM

Locating a copy of ANY 1989 pop report is uber difficult these days, let alone finding a specific monthly issue.

toyz4geo · November 21, 2014 2:40AM

It was a suggestion posted in my wanted to buy post on the BST. I guess finding the early pop report is going to be as tough as finding the Jeffersons in rattler holders I am looking for. Sigh.

SmallTownCoins · November 21, 2014 3:28AM

I have a May 1991 Pop report, might that help you out ?

TopographicOceans · November 21, 2014 3:37AM

Everything was at zero

keets · November 21, 2014 4:05AM

you should post this at the BST with the proper heading such as "Looking for old PCGS pop reports" and then be pleasantly surprised. I managed to put together a set of Quarterly reports from 1998-2008 which I was using to track changes in certain series' I was watching. most were offered for only the cost of postage, but if you offer a token past that you might get a better response and pry some loose.

I know when I was looking at least one member had reports going back to the early 1990's to the OGH days.

roadrunner · November 21, 2014 4:38AM

I have June 1st 1989 if that will help. Some of us oldsters have these laying around. Jefferson nickels weren't exactly a hot item in that market so I doubt the pops changed all that much from June to December. A pop 1 finest graded back then could easily be a pop 20 today with a number graded higher. Besides resubmissions standards changed as well.

There's only around 430 total PCGS MS Jeff nickels submitted back then (vs. 6000 proofs). The break down was 26 in MS63, 83 in MS64, 247 in MS65, 70 in MS66, and 2 in MS67 (39-d and 44-d). The most common appearing coin was the 1943/2 with 63 specimens. Clearly, no one was bothering to submit cheaper Jeffs. The 38-d and 39-d also show up quite often. There are almost no coins after 1950. Full Steps are not listed. I don't think this data will tell you anything.

Overdate · November 21, 2014 4:39AM

<< Kinda what I was afraid of. However, when I get back there, anything special I should pick up?

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MS65 Morgan and Peace dollars come to mind.

roadrunner · November 21, 2014 4:52AM

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<< Kinda what I was afraid of. However, when I get back there, anything special I should pick up?

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MS65 Morgan and Peace dollars come to mind.

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I hope not. MS65 Morgans were in the $300 range for common dates with Peace dollars over $400. The scarcer dates went for a ton. That was definitely NOT the time to be buying those coins unless you had the eye to pick a future MS67 out of an MS65 holder.

Overdate · November 21, 2014 10:09AM

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<< Kinda what I was afraid of. However, when I get back there, anything special I should pick up?

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MS65 Morgan and Peace dollars come to mind.

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I hope not. MS65 Morgans were in the $300 range for common dates with Peace dollars over $400. The scarcer dates went for a ton. That was definitely NOT the time to be buying those coins unless you had the eye to pick a future MS67 out of an MS65 holder. >>

True, but please notice the emoticon at the end of my previous post.

toyz4geo · November 21, 2014 11:28AM

<< you should post this at the BST with the proper heading such as "Looking for old PCGS pop reports" and then be pleasantly surprised. I managed to put together a set of Quarterly reports from 1998-2008 which I was using to track changes in certain series' I was watching. most were offered for only the cost of postage, but if you offer a token past that you might get a better response and pry some loose.

I know when I was looking at least one member had reports going back to the early 1990's to the OGH days. >>

Thanks for the info and thoughts about the BST.

toyz4geo · November 21, 2014 11:32AM

<< I have June 1st 1989 if that will help. Some of us oldsters have these laying around. Jefferson nickels weren't exactly a hot item in that market so I doubt the pops changed all that much from June to December. A pop 1 finest graded back then could easily be a pop 20 today with a number graded higher. Besides resubmissions standards changed as well.

There's only around 430 total PCGS MS Jeff nickels submitted back then (vs. 6000 proofs). The break down was 26 in MS63, 83 in MS64, 247 in MS65, 70 in MS66, and 2 in MS67 (39-d and 44-d). The most common appearing coin was the 1943/2 with 63 specimens. Clearly, no one was bothering to submit cheaper Jeffs. The 38-d and 39-d also show up quite often. There are almost no coins after 1950. Full Steps are not listed. I don't think this data will tell you anything. >>

Thanks for the info. Actually gives me a picture that there probably aren't many Jeffersons in rattlers out there. May have to rethink my goals.
George

leothelyon · November 21, 2014 11:40AM

Link You recently bought the above set. How did they turn out grade wise? Steps?

Leo

foodude · November 21, 2014 11:47AM

I have the August, 1989 report. I thought the rattler switch came in August, 1989, but looks like it was more around October, 1989

toyz4geo · November 21, 2014 12:16PM

<< Link You recently bought the above set. How did they turn out grade wise? Steps?

Leo >>

20 coins, 19 different, 1 ms66 (38-D), 15 ms65, 4 ms64. Possible FS on 2. Some nice toning on several. Plan to keep them all in original holders.
George

DaveG · November 21, 2014 1:03PM

There's only around 430 total PCGS MS Jeff nickels submitted back then (vs. 6000 proofs). The break down was 26 in MS63, 83 in MS64, 247 in MS65, 70 in MS66, and 2 in MS67 (39-d and 44-d).

Huh - I have a 1941 Jeff in an MS-65 Rattler.

I guess it's a slightly rarer example than I thought.

roadrunner · November 22, 2014 9:06AM

<< 

<< you should post this at the BST with the proper heading such as "Looking for old PCGS pop reports" and then be pleasantly surprised. I managed to put together a set of Quarterly reports from 1998-2008 which I was using to track changes in certain series' I was watching. most were offered for only the cost of postage, but if you offer a token past that you might get a better response and pry some loose.

I know when I was looking at least one member had reports going back to the early 1990's to the OGH days. >>

Thanks for the info and thoughts about the BST. >>

Looks like you might have about 5% of the originally made MS Jefferson rattlers. Considering that a large number have probably been upgraded, cracked out, or what have you, they might be worth something some day, even if the coins in the holders are not. With the Full Step craze coming into being after the rattler era, it could also be true that no one really cares about non-FS rattlers in average grades. From 430 MS Jeffs in summer 1989 to 80,000 today is a nice jump. 2 MS67's back then vs. >1300 today! 65 of the 1943/42 over-dates back then vs. 614 today. But these kinds of numbers are the norm across the 1932-1964 coin era. In 1989 I owned the only 1934 Washington quarter in MS67. It was a toner monster. Today there are a couple dozen with a ton of 66's and 65's. There wasn't much incentive back in 1989 then to submit post 1938 coinage unless it was a key date, early proof, classic commem, or monstrous.

bob48 · November 22, 2014 1:52PM

<< I have the August, 1989 report. I thought the rattler switch came in August, 1989, but looks like it was more around October, 1989 >>

I collect Rattlers, this pop report I have been searching for a long time. But not looking hard just If I had found one I would have bought it.
I have a 7/2007 pop report.

430 MS Jefferson nickels, now I know why they don't show up much, for sale.

I have 2 Rattlers:
1942 T1 MS-64
1943-D MS-65

I also have 8 proofs, 52,(2) 53, 54, 55, (2) 61, 64 still looking for the other dates.

roadrunner · November 23, 2014 5:43AM

<< There's only around 430 total PCGS MS Jeff nickels submitted back then (vs. 6000 proofs). The break down was 26 in MS63, 83 in MS64, 247 in MS65, 70 in MS66, and 2 in MS67 (39-d and 44-d).

Huh - I have a 1941 Jeff in an MS-65 Rattler.

I guess it's a slightly rarer example than I thought.

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Apparently so. There are only 3 MS 1941 nickels showing up on my 1989 pop report....all MS65's. The date was not worth anything back then so "none" got submitted. Putting together a complete 1938-1964 MS rattler Jeff nickel set would be quite the achievement. And not for the lack of finding the key dates, but for finding the common dates that no one bothered to submit. It could be to impossible today. There are lots of pop 1's and even pop zeroes (only 3 single coins graded in all grades from 1957-1964). Maybe a few more got submitted from 6/1/89 until the rattlers were replaced with the next generation.

The 42 T.1 only was a pop 1 in 6/89 (a lone MS66). So a MS64 1942 T.1 might be only the 2nd coin for that year. The 1943-D was more common with 23 graded in MS65 and more in MS66. Silver War Nickels were popular sets back then. Some got slabbed in the process.

bob48 · November 24, 2014 4:21PM

"So a MS64 1942 T.1 might be only the 2nd coin for that year."

Thanks for the info. Thats nice to know.

How do I find the 12/31/1989 population report?

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