Damaged Die or Post Mint Damage?

Broadstruck · November 17, 2014 3:26AM

Figured this SLQ would make for a good thread post... What do y'all say

silverpop · November 17, 2014 3:36AM

looks to be post mint

CaptHenway · November 17, 2014 3:39AM

Are you talking about that thing at 9 o'clock on the reverse? Hard to tell with the slab prong ending there.

TommyType · November 17, 2014 3:40AM

That is an interesting one....

Certainly a well used die, since the flow lines are getting long and visible. And the stars seem to be getting drawn out.

But the "break" in the rim seems a bit too abrupt to me. Very sharp corners on it. And in order to make that indentation, it would require metal ADDED to the die in that location.

Wondering if the planchet may have been defective in some way?

(I should leave these things to the experts, because I usually show my ignorance more than help any.)

BillJones · November 17, 2014 3:42AM

At first blush I thought post mint damage, but then I looked at the arm of the star which stretches out to the rim, and it starts to look like a mint caused anomaly. It might be a planchet defect when there was not enough metal there to fill the die.

ctf_error_coins · November 17, 2014 3:44AM

Hard to tell, but the star appears to have metal flow going into it ....

LindeDad · November 17, 2014 3:53AM

Possible the collar die broke?

Broadstruck · November 17, 2014 4:25AM

<< <i>Are you talking about that thing at 9 o'clock on the reverse? Hard to tell with the slab prong ending there. >>

Yes -

seanq · November 17, 2014 4:34AM

I'll vote PMD, it looks a bit like a disc clip, but if that were true it would be visible on both sides of the coin and exhibit signs of metal flow.

It may be possible that the planchet was damaged on one side before the strike, however again I would expect to see some signs of weakness on the opposing rim. Perhaps these planchets were upset to a degree that it was masked...? I would need to see an off-center or blank to know for sure.

Sean Reynolds

Broadstruck · November 17, 2014 4:39AM

<< <i>I'll vote PMD, it looks a bit like a disc clip, but if that were true it would be visible on both sides of the coin and exhibit signs of metal flow.

It may be possible that the planchet was damaged on one side before the strike, however again I would expect to see some signs of weakness on the opposing rim. Perhaps these planchets were upset to a degree that it was masked...? I would need to see an off-center or blank to know for sure.

Sean Reynolds >>

So do you feel that something mechanical dragged the tip of the star through the field while it gouged out a chunk of the rim

FredWeinberg · November 17, 2014 5:00AM

I hope I get this right, not now looking directly at the close up:

Is it me, or the lighting, or ?, but it seems like the 'extended tip'
of the star, heading to the left, towards the void in the rim, might
be part of the rim that's been flattened or damaged into the edge
of the coin.

In other words, isn't the extended 'tip' too long for metal flow?

Is it possible that the 'tip' we've been talking about, and a similar
looking area to the left of THAT left side, just inside the rim, are left-over
raised rim evidence that was flattened by whatever hit the rim of the coin?

Imo, the Void area, on the rim, is PMD, and some of the left-overs of the rim are
pressed down into the void - I see two of them - on the left side of the void,
and on the right side, which is to the left of the star point we've been focusing on.

Broadstruck · November 17, 2014 5:26AM

<< <i>I hope I get this right, not now looking directly at the close up:

Is it me, or the lighting, or ?, but it seems like the 'extended tip'
of the star, heading to the left, towards the void in the rim, might
be part of the rim that's been flattened or damaged into the edge
of the coin.

In other words, isn't the extended 'tip' too long for metal flow?

Is it possible that the 'tip' we've been talking about, and a similar
looking area to the left of THAT left side, just inside the rim, are left-over
raised rim evidence that was flattened by whatever hit the rim of the coin?

Imo, the Void area, on the rim, is PMD, and some of the left-overs of the rim are
pressed down into the void - I see two of them - on the left side of the void,
and on the right side, which is to the left of the star point we've been focusing on. >>

OK that makes sense as now if I look at the extended star I can still see the point.

I just really thought it was dragged through the rim as there's a tad bit of metal in field missing atop and below the star tip.

Sorta like using a garden hoe and you still pull it after hitting a twig or small branch from a tree.

CaptHenway · November 17, 2014 6:19AM

Looking at the closeup, I am inclined to think that it is a small lamination that came off after the strike. The extended point of the star could be the result of metal flow under the surface, as the planchet expanded out into the collar and rim, that would not have been visible had the lamination remained attached.

TD

MICHAELDIXON · November 17, 2014 6:38AM

I am more concerned with the extended mouth. Where did that cut come from?

TopographicOceans · November 17, 2014 6:42AM

What's going on with the wing tip(s) at 11 o'clock?

FredWeinberg · November 17, 2014 6:44AM

Do you mean the contact marks from another coin?

(the circular line thru the left wing tips - that's from
the coin being in a bag, and getting hit/contact with
another coin)

Coin Finder · November 17, 2014 6:47AM

Would a collar die break like that?

FredWeinberg · November 17, 2014 6:49AM

No, a collar break, or 'collar cud',
would show on the edge of the coin,
not on the surface like this SLQ......

MGLICKER · November 17, 2014 6:54AM

I vote with Henway. lamination was my first thought.

messydesk · November 17, 2014 7:54AM

Nothing to do with the die. Looks more like a chipped-off planchet lamination than a hack or cut mark, as it's less shiny than the rest of the coin.

MsMorrisine · November 17, 2014 8:22AM

on the rim, south of the gap, about 2/3rds of the rim width wide starting from the internal part of the rim -- is that a raised metal blob or a depressed area ?