1961 ddr half...UPDATE....IT'S NOT IT

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 9:27AM

so am i right to be excited about this one....i'll be irate if this turns out to be switched before shipping
could be my biggest ever cherry pick and coin score

top is my coin (seller imaged and a lil sketchy)...bottom is pulled from the web...what really stood out was the skinny no seriff "U" overlaying a fat seriff'd "U" under it in "united"
the "E" being hard to make out helped

this looks like die #3...am i correct ?

MWallace · October 10, 2014 9:34AM

Looks like it could be. Good luck.

SanctionII · October 10, 2014 9:38AM

I would say no. I base this on, among other things, the fact that the metal bar extending from the wood holding the bell in the picture of your coin does not have the doubling and notch shown in the bottom photo. The photo of your coin is out of focus, so in hand your coin may be a winner ddr.

Good luck.

BustHalfBrian · October 10, 2014 9:44AM

You would know it if you had it. What I mean is, the doubling would be so pronounced that you wouldn't doubt it.

Unfortunately, the letters do not look thick enough in your pics.

Edit to add: Note the distance from the bottom of 'E' to the top of 'R'. On the DDR, there is no space between the two. Your coin shows a gap.

AUandAG · October 10, 2014 9:49AM

GET EXCITED, that's what it's all about!

Good luck, LVT

bob

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 9:51AM

that "E" surely looks like it to me as 1st opening has a line that goes across the upright...second "E" is sitting on top a bottom...most minor varieties
that e is pretty clear cut

those letters aren't side by side doubling...they have letters on top of letters...which truly can be a hard thing to see in some areas...but that "U"
a straight skinny sitting on top of a fat serrif'd one
"MY HEART'S BEATING"

i'll update thread when in hand and my blood pressure drops if this is "THA ONE"

JRocco · October 10, 2014 9:56AM

My PUP on this variety is the oblong dots on both sides of the E
Your coin does not show this and makes me think this is not the DDR
Hope I'm not correct.

BustHalfBrian · October 10, 2014 9:56AM

<< what really stood out was the skinny no seriff "U" overlaying a fat seriff'd "U" under it in "united"... >>

There are no serifs on any U's, nor should there be. This is a serif...

Here is an example of a capital 'U' with serifs...

seanq · October 10, 2014 9:57AM

Looking at this on my computer and not my phone, I now understand that the top coin is the one you bought, not the bottom. I do not think your coin is the big DDR, it may be a minor one but more likely it is nothing special.

Sean Reynolds

JRocco · October 10, 2014 9:59AM

Just as a side note, when I look at Lincoln's for DDR's I also first look at the dots between EPU as a PUP

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 9:59AM

<< 

<< what really stood out was the skinny no seriff "U" overlaying a fat seriff'd "U" under it in "united"... >>

There are no serifs on any U's, nor should there be. This is a serif...

>>

i'm corrected...the bottom one flares out...while the top one is straight...so "no flaring" ?

but yeah...a close observation of the "E"...you'll see what i'm seeing if you envision a "E" sitting on top of an "E" looking at top horizontal of it...then the spread becomes apparent

these images are a lil different angle...not prime to display such...even on bottom image...they could of shot the "e pluribus unum" different to display it more so

BustHalfBrian · October 10, 2014 10:07AM

lasvegasteddy, please read your latest PM from me.

There is doubling at UNITED, no doubt about it, but the thickness of the letters is not consistent with FS-801.

My final thoughts - your coin has mechanical doubling that is, coincidentally, at an area on the coin that is a PUP for the DDR.

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 10:13AM

<< lasvegasteddy, please read your latest PM from me.

There is doubling at UNITED, no doubt about it, but the thickness of the letters is not consistent with FS-801.

My final thoughts - your coin has mechanical doubling that is, coincidentally, at an area on the coin that is a PUP for the DDR. >>

you don't see 2 different letter designs on the "U"...one skinny straight sitting "on top of" a flared fat design under it ?
mechanical doubling doesn't change design type

bolivarshagnasty · October 10, 2014 10:15AM

EPU doesn't match. Don't think its the one.

BustHalfBrian · October 10, 2014 10:17AM

<< 

<< lasvegasteddy, please read your latest PM from me.

There is doubling at UNITED, no doubt about it, but the thickness of the letters is not consistent with FS-801.

My final thoughts - your coin has mechanical doubling that is, coincidentally, at an area on the coin that is a PUP for the DDR. >>

you don't see 2 different letter designs on the "U"...one skinny straight sitting "on top of" a flared fat design under it ?
mechanical doubling doesn't change design type >>

Mechanical doubling can do this, too - the 'shelf' doubling does not have to be parallel to the primary letter.

Cameonut · October 10, 2014 10:28AM

I hope it is the big one but I think it is more likely that it is one of the other DDR's.

Not sure if this closeup of die 3 is helpful or not.

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 10:35AM

thanks everyone for chiming in....

if i find i scored...after the dreaded processing of it and selling it...i'll do a sweet lil giveaway in honor of all you fine folks here

and maybe i'll finally get a "you suck"

Crazy4Coins · October 10, 2014 10:43AM

LVT,

I saw the coin and determined it was not a DDR.

Here are my thoughts:

First, the spacing between the letters of UNITED are too far apart. On the true DDR, the N and I are very close because of the doubling. The left dot should also be closer to the L in PLURUBUS.

Also, look at the L and F in HALF. You can clearly see that the letters are not split as they should be on the true DDR.

I determined that the appearance of doubling is just from lighting angle or reflection. You can see the same doubling on the last A in AMERICA. The true DDR's do not show doubling at AMERICA.

Don't lose any sleep on this one. It does appear to be a nice cameo though.

jonathanb · October 10, 2014 11:42AM

I'm going to go with "not" also. Sorry. Hope I'm wrong.

mariner67 · October 10, 2014 12:09PM

In the no crowd here.

Bodin · October 10, 2014 12:17PM

I'm really hoping that it is and you clean house and a bunch of dish out "you sucks" left and right!

......however, I do not see any doubling on the end of the bell holder. The bottom photo has the doubling on it, but yours does not show. Again, I'm hoping it is just a bad photo. GOOD LUCK!

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 12:33PM

"however, I do not see any doubling on the end of the bell holder. The bottom photo has the doubling on it, but yours does not show"

i truly believe this is caused by slight angle when was coin imaged....if one has in mind...this double die has "skinny recut's laying on top" of an original cut die...even the bell holder has a "skinny recut" sitting on top of a bottom cut die...if one thinks like this and looks at it...it appears and coin image angles were off as "not to catch the separation properly"...there is a line in the middle of the bell holder and dip between holder and wood

anyways...in hand i'll update

but yeah...mindset of skinny recut sitting on top of a normal die...then images makes it clear i do have the one coming in

the 2nd horizontal line down on the "E" goes straight off the back of that "E"...that's pretty telling
that second line should stop at vertical inside of the "E"

how would that line not stop at the inside of "E" even as imaged

koynekwest · October 10, 2014 1:14PM

Just reflections IMO. Hope I'm wrong tho.

DIMEMAN · October 10, 2014 3:08PM

It's definitely a DDR and looks a lot like the 003, but the "U" in "UNUM" is not the same as pic in book.

GrumpyEd · October 10, 2014 6:30PM

I don't think it's that variety, the bell holder left most piece does not look doubled and the left most dot looks wide but not in the same direction as that variety and the motto and united are not wide enough. Also the gap between the E and the R of PLURIBUS is wider than it is on that variety. I think it's either MD or a different DDR variety.

It's the fun of cherrypicking, hope it's something good

Treashunt · October 10, 2014 7:29PM

I am with the 'good luck' crowd.

keets · October 10, 2014 9:02PM

Ted, that looks to me like the poor man's DDR, still a nice coin but not the big payday we hope to find. I have one in an intact set, I almost passed out when I first saw it but close inspection revealed the truth. this is like one of those long fly balls that curls in front of the foul pole.

all that said, I hope that when it arrives you are able to prove me wrong.

gonzer · October 10, 2014 9:55PM

My observation is that they are not the same. As others have stated though, don't let it diminish the anticipation.

georgiacop50 · October 11, 2014 12:22AM

Sorry, but no way Jose

DIMEMAN · October 11, 2014 12:41AM

Don't worry........I have struck out so many times this year on Dimes......I should be sent back to the minors!!

telephoto1 · October 11, 2014 1:29AM

I think the perceived doubling is a function of the shadowing/reflection that is common when proof coins are imaged at certain angles. The lettering doesn't look right to me for the DDR. For your sake I hope I am wrong though. Good Luck.

ricko · October 11, 2014 3:43AM

Best of luck...be sure to let us know when you get it....Cheers, RickO

lasvegasteddy · October 11, 2014 3:53AM

the "OF" is a true match clearly displaying shadow effect doesn't apply
i pasted a die 3 "OF" in image of mine
clearly a skinny "O" sitting on top of a fat "O" under it

sweet lil end of bottom horizontal of "E" right there

only drag is...this will need "express" level of service with separate sub and return shipping....YUCK
in what i'd think is a small market for a coin as such...great to find...too much to buy

DCW · October 11, 2014 4:27AM

This is not the ddr. A quick look at your newest pic leaves little doubt. I'd like it to be the real deal for you, Teddy. But I really don't see anything but lighting playing tricks on us.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · October 11, 2014 2:18PM

I'm pretty confident this is not the big one.

SanctionII · October 11, 2014 3:16PM

LVT, check the photo of your coin (and your coin when you receive it) to the photos of the 1961 ddr I cherry picked almost three years ago in a flat pack proof set. There are 3 large photos of my coin in the thread. To find the thread just type 1961 into the search box.

lcoopie · October 12, 2014 2:10AM

From coinfacts

The 1961 Doubled Die Reverse Half Dollar is one of the most dramatic, exciting, and valuable of all Franklin Half Dollars. However, be aware that there are other Doubled Die Reverses for this year, but they are not as dramatic and are far less valuable. The one to look for has very strong doubling of E PLURIBUS UNUM, UNITED STATES, and HALF DOLLAR.

LanceNewmanOCC · October 12, 2014 2:30AM

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100% nope for the 1961 50C DDR FS-801 (FS-013)
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georgiacop50 · October 12, 2014 2:33AM

The spread on the real deal is such that you go OMG! when you see it. There would be no need for study/comparison.

lasvegasteddy · October 12, 2014 3:43AM

not to "beat a dead horse" here....and ready freddy i am to eat my helping of "CROW PIE" too
this thread is kinda like a dead horse for now....until "tuesday or wednesday" when in hand...who knows the ghost of SEABISCUIT maybe riding high

i did put my "of" above the "of" from website on a die #3...they made a point to include "of" to show how the small center inside circle shows

and that upper inside corner of the "F"

clearly the dcam coin can be made out in that upper inside corner of the "F" where as my coin is angled in best view to display the skinny letter on top of flat wide bottom letters

segoja · October 12, 2014 3:46AM

Absolutely not the money DDR. I've bought and sold many of these over the years, and as other posters have stated, it's a huge no question double die. Don't even need a loop to see it. Much like a 55 double die Lincoln

foodude · October 12, 2014 6:39AM

I just sold one of these at show this weekend, and as James said, the doubling is very evident to the naked eye.

lasvegasteddy · October 14, 2014 11:46AM

it's not the DDR

guess whose eating his humble share of "CROW PIE"...I AM

oh well...oneday i'll hit a homerun like most here...just not today

i will do a giveaway soon and it will be included as a prize to turn a sour turn of event a "lil sweeter"...hopefully a young-um will win it

yup...you guys were so right...darn shadows in pictures...wah-wah

time to eat me sum

bolivarshagnasty · October 14, 2014 12:56PM

Sometimes we see what we want to see. I know I'm guilty of this in the past. You'll snag a good one sooner or later. Try not to choke on the pie.

SanctionII · October 14, 2014 1:09PM

LVT.

Sorry to hear the coin is not the DDR.

I went through the same thing you did a year or two ago. I was looking at EBay proof set listings and found a listing for a 1961 proof set and a 1962 proof set in Capital Holders. The photos of the coins in both of the set were good, but not razor sharp. The 1961 half dollar was a very nice looking Cameo. However what drew my attention was the reverse photos of the 1961 and 1962 half dollars. The lettering on the reverse devices was a little out of focus for both half dollars, but there was a night and day difference between the thickness and the appearance of EPU, the 2 dots above EPU, the bell bar notch, United, etc. These items on the 1961 half looked thicker and looked to my eyes (and to my mind because I wanted it so bad to be a DDR) compared to the 1962 half. I looked, looked again and then bought both sets.

When the sets arrived, the 1961 set had a nice CAM half dollar, but it was not a DDR. The photo tricked me.

Oh Well.

1961 ddr half...UPDATE....IT'S NOT IT

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