Which would you go with? 1972 DDO in MS65RD or 1983 DDR in MS66RD? And why?

Rampage · October 2, 2014 11:12AM

Both are about the same price. Both would be ideal to have, but if you could only buy one, which would it be?

Goldbully · October 2, 2014 11:17AM

You need to add a poll question......"Wish I new anything about modern copper."

Rampage · October 2, 2014 11:18AM

<< You need to add a poll question......"Wish I new anything about modern copper."

>>

Except 1983 is not modern copper.

BustHalfBrian · October 2, 2014 11:18AM

Although the 83 DDR is scarcer the 72 DDO is much more popular due to the PUP and spread of doubling.

I'd choose the 72 DDO as an investment before the 83 DDR.

crypto79 · October 2, 2014 11:23AM

I chose the 72 because its got the classic doubled date and it won't bubble and rust away.

BaronVonBaugh · October 2, 2014 11:52AM

I'm not crazy about zinc for coins.

lasvegasteddy · October 2, 2014 12:16PM

<< I'm not crazy about zinc for coins. >>

^^^ this exactly ^^^

put me in the 72 ddo crowd...as to grade...graded opinions are way too sketchy for me...i'd have to see the coins themselves before i go with grade assigned

show me the coin rather then tell me a grade
of note i'll choose strike over luster which can be a money saver to boot as most higher grades are for luster over strike

Type2 · October 2, 2014 12:18PM

Need to know a bit more what die are they? The big one's.

if so i'll take the 72 more collect that one then the other so more will want it if and when you want to sell.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 2, 2014 12:24PM

'72, but I like that '83, too. I've had an MS 66 Red '83 in an NGC holder, and the planchets sucked on almost every one I've owned including an MS 64+ and MS 63 respectively, that I've submitted. Because of the planchet defects, I like the '72 better and the "spread" on the "granddaddy'' is , like Type 2 pointed out, key.

GrumpyEd · October 2, 2014 2:01PM

I'd want both in my collection but if I had to choose only one I'd take the 72.
More well known and copper and they tend to tone nice and it's on the obv and date. The 83 has the risks of zincs.
Time may prove my choice wrong if many of the other nice 83 DDRs get ugly and increases the value of gems.

tahoe98 · October 3, 2014 5:04AM

...I think I'd buy the 83, weigh it and see if I REALLY GOT A DEAL and lucked out with a 95 per cent copper!! if not send it back and get the 72 DD....

rec78 · October 3, 2014 5:11AM

What is the PCGS population of each? I chose the 1983 because they seem more difficult to find. However the double dies with the doubling on the obverse always are more popular among collectors. If I could could find a choice MS66 1983 DDR cent without planchet problems I would chose it. In the longer run I do not think that one will outpace the other in value by very much. Then again, who knows? Time will tell. JMHO.

Bob

johnny9434 · October 3, 2014 5:14AM

<< I'm not crazy about zinc for coins. >>

exactly why i went with the 72 ddo. jmo (never liked the zinc)

nwcoast · October 3, 2014 5:16AM

<< I chose the 72 because its got the classic doubled date and it won't bubble and rust away. >>

This is my feeling as well...

19Lyds · October 3, 2014 5:37AM

I voted 83DDR since I already have the 72/72 in 65RD

crispy · October 3, 2014 6:37AM

<< I chose the 72 because its got the classic doubled date and it won't bubble and rust away. >>

My sentiments as well.

I realize we're talking about mint state here but still I can't believe the shape of many of the circulating "zincolns". They just don't have that feeling of permanence that some of the other coin compositions do.

crispy · October 3, 2014 6:39AM

<< I chose the 72 because its got the classic doubled date and it won't bubble and rust away. >>

My sentiments as well.

I realize we're talking about mint state here but still I can't believe the shape of many of the circulating "zincolns". They just don't have that feeling of permanence that some of the other coin compositions do.

Bochiman · October 3, 2014 6:42AM

72DDO as I collect what I like and I prefer a nicer doubling that is more easily visible, which the 72DDO is, to me.

TJM965 · October 3, 2014 7:54AM

Great Collections has 1 - 1972 and 2 - 1983 high grade coins in their auction closing this Sunday. Starting prices seem very reasonable.

Cameonut · October 3, 2014 7:58AM

I own both. And I like the 72 far better than the 83. Copper is much more pleasing than plated zinc.

MidLifeCrisis · October 3, 2014 9:38AM

72 DDO because I have fond memories of seaching for one when I was a kid.

mercurydimeguy · October 3, 2014 2:40PM

Get both (I did), but don't settle and you won't regret it

lasvegasteddy · October 3, 2014 2:52PM

awesome lincolns there

mcgrover · October 3, 2014 3:03PM

Just curious, does anyone have an '83 DDR that does NOT have the bumps? I'd like to see one (never have), but I'll take someone's word.

Sunnywood · October 3, 2014 3:44PM

I vote for the 1955 DDO (I'm writing in another candidate!) ... anyway it deserves mention here.
Doubled dies should be judged on how dramatic the spread is. The one series that is REALLY amazing for doubled dies is shield nickels.
The '72 DDO is pretty cool, but the '55 is perhaps even more awesome.

Sunnywood

Broadstruck · October 3, 2014 4:01PM

<< 72 DDO because I have fond memories of searching for one when I was a kid. >>

ambro51 · October 3, 2014 10:13PM

I searched.......and found one.

mercurydimeguy · October 3, 2014 10:38PM

<< Just curious, does anyone have an '83 DDR that does NOT have the bumps? I'd like to see one (never have), but I'll take someone's word. >>

I've seen some with less bumps but never seen one without any bumps. Here was the one I used to have in my set...less bumpy than the new one (pictured in earlier post), but still with bumps.

chiefbob · October 4, 2014 12:55AM

I don't see the die variety mentioned on most of the TPG holders I've looked at on the Bay. Is there a reason why not? It would help those of us who need to differentiate between the FS-101, 102, 103. I think it's easy enough for me to know the difference between the 101 and the 103, though.

BTW, those are beauties, Mercurydimeguy!

Bob

messydesk · October 4, 2014 1:21AM

<< I chose the 72 because its got the classic doubled date and it won't bubble and rust away. >>

This.

mcgrover · October 4, 2014 5:05AM

OK, Mercury DG's photos are as good as I've seen. I went to the PCGS site and they had MS67s posted with the zinc bubbles - there are 42 67s and 1 67+. There wasn't a photo of the + coin, but apparently the bumps (isn't there a more accurate term?) are part of the series, and don't reflect in the grading, unless they're reserving the 68 and up grades for a bumpless example, which has yet to surface. I have tried to collect the '72 DDO varieties, but I get confused between some of them if I get them raw, and apparently PCGS only attributes Numero Uno. I have some ANACS slabs that specify the variety, but even then I have some questions. One question I have is why PCGS doesn't attribute more than the one? I have considered whether it's all one doubled die , and the varieties (8 I think) are the result of die wear, strike difference, and maybe other factors I don't know enough about. This makes more sense to me than 8 different DDs for the one year. I can't think of another year where this situation has developed (multiple but similar DDs). I know the'64 Kennedys have a confusing mix of DDs and TDs, but not 8, and not so similar. I acknowledge in all this I may be wrong.

Overdate · October 4, 2014 5:41AM

<< Which would you go with? 1972 DDO in MS65RD or 1983 DDR in MS66RD? And why? >>

Neither one, I would opt for the much scarcer proof Philadelphia version of my avatar.

Overdate · October 4, 2014 5:47AM

<< I have tried to collect the '72 DDO varieties, but I get confused between some of them if I get them raw, and apparently PCGS only attributes Numero Uno. >>

Browsing eBay, I find PCGS attributed ’72 doubled dies for FS-101, FS-102, FS-103 and FS-107.

Shamika · October 4, 2014 6:17AM

The 83 will deteriorate. Without question you should go with the 72.

mcgrover · October 4, 2014 6:36AM

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mercurydimeguy · October 4, 2014 6:37AM

...duplicate post...

mercurydimeguy · October 4, 2014 6:39AM

<< The 83 will deteriorate. Without question you should go with the 72. >>

I don't necessarily agree with this as a blanket statement...at lower grades, your comment is probably 99% true, but go find a 66 or better or with CAC attribution that is actually "nice"...it took me a long time looking. I passed on at least 3 CAC 66 examples because they were no better (worse actually) than my non-CAC example. I finally found a coin that was better than my 66 and realized after looking at a lot of them (65's and 66's and a few 67's) over a period of time, I can say the one I own is about as nice (of course +/-) as you will get, and the price point is sub $700...cheap in my mind.

If you can get an example in 66 or better, that has nice eye appeal (no blotchy milky spots), I would snatch it up as this is a tough coin in higher grades (66 or better) to find attractive.

BTW...this can probably be said of many coins, so I just probably stated the obvious

mcgrover · October 4, 2014 6:44AM

Well yes, there they are. I was operating off the information on the PCGS Price Guide which lists simply 1972 DDO, and the slabs for Die 1 don't say Die 1 on them. Is there a price guide for varieties 2-8 that I haven't found? And while I have you overdate, are you saying there's a 1960 Double Date with no MM or anS?

Overdate · October 4, 2014 10:37AM

<< Well yes, there they are. I was operating off the information on the PCGS Price Guide which lists simply 1972 DDO, and the slabs for Die 1 don't say Die 1 on them. Is there a price guide for varieties 2-8 that I haven't found? And while I have you overdate, are you saying there's a 1960 Double Date with no MM or anS? >>

My avatar is a 1960-D small over large date cent. There are also proof 1960 Philadelphia small over large date *and* large over small date cents, and they are listed in the PCGS price guide. There are not any known circulation-strike 1960 Philadelphia overdate cents.

Treashunt · October 5, 2014 1:02AM

<< I voted 83DDR since I already have the 72/72 in 65RD >>

same here, but the opposite

cladking · October 5, 2014 3:12AM

It's a tough call. The '72 is better known and has more demand.

Whichever I bought I wouldn't allow the composition to affect the decision. The fact
is that no matter how prone to disintegration the zinc is, it will be collected in the fu-
ture. The instability of the composition simply assures that few more will ever be found
and that the attrition is higher.

If you do buy a zinc try to get one that has no exposed zinc and treat it well.

JRocco · October 5, 2014 3:55AM

delete

JRocco · October 5, 2014 3:57AM

No clue
Sorry for double triple whatever posts

Rampage · October 5, 2014 3:58AM

I've decided to get one of each.

JRocco · October 5, 2014 4:01AM

delete

JRocco · October 5, 2014 6:37AM

Sorry if a double post, first post not showing.

I would go with the 72 DDO

Nice doubled coin, stable composition, and really cool

AMRC · October 5, 2014 6:50AM

The 72 goes nicer with the 55.

410a · October 5, 2014 8:23AM

72 dbl die all the way. I used to look for these in change when I was young and I still do. The 72 is like the 55 a real cool coin.

dpoole · October 5, 2014 11:09AM

72 doubled die, for all the reasons stated.

<< I've decided to get one of each. >>

WAK! I just read this.

Classic numismatists' solution.

Bochiman · October 5, 2014 12:50PM

<< The 72 goes nicer with the 55. >>

Ha! That was my very thinking when I got my pair ('55 and '72).

Rampage, thanks for letting us know. I was circling back to the thread to ask that very question to you.

Which would you go with? 1972 DDO in MS65RD or 1983 DDR in MS66RD? And why?

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