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Is there anything special about the 2 coin Kennedy set?
seateddime
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Are these special strikes or the same coins they are selling by the rolls?
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Erik
<< <i>I would assume they are the same as PCGS requires that the 2-coin set be sent in the original mint packaging so they can know they are not from rolls. >>
haven't been keeping up with the kennedy furor, huh?
These are special. They digitally imaged a 1964 non-accented hair kennedy hub and an old, original 64 kennedy design they had kept. They changed the obverse to the 1964 non-accented hair version they digitally re-created.
The reverse however, is the modern one as can be best seen by comparing the longest two arrows on the 1964 reverse with the 2014 reverse. Why they did this, I don't know.
This has been done on the 2 coin clad sets and the gold. I imagine the upcoming 4 coin 90% silver set will also have the modern reverse.
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<< <i>I would assume they are the same as PCGS requires that the 2-coin set be sent in the original mint packaging so they can know they are not from rolls. >>
haven't been keeping up with the kennedy furor, huh?
These are special. They digitally imaged a 1964 non-accented hair kennedy hub and an old, original 64 kennedy design they had kept. They changed the obverse to the 1964 non-accented hair version they digitally re-created.
The reverse however, is the modern one as can be best seen by comparing the longest two arrows on the 1964 reverse with the 2014 reverse. Why they did this, I don't know.
This has been done on the 2 coin clad sets and the gold. I imagine the upcoming 4 coin 90% silver set will also have the modern reverse. >>
…well, they are obviously not special enough for PCGS graders to know the difference between these and the rolled coins
Erik
<< <i>Are these special strikes or the same coins they are selling by the rolls? >>
The coins are not that same as what is sold in the 200 coin Bags or Two Roll sets.
Why PCGS is requiring them to be in the original mint packaging is beyond my comprehension but then, maybe they too think that the coins are the same. <sigh>
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Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins.
<< <i>I called CS on the day of release asking about numbers for the submission form. Told I didn't need them on the form.
Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins. >>
...they certainly are required and if you sent them in without then your in for a rude awakening. Somebody at PCGS CS gave you bad advice.
Erik
In 1964 a lock of hair overflowed the tail of R in Liberty. On these coins (and the regular 2014 strikes) the hair is entirely separate from the tail of the R.
<< <i>Although the special set looks like a 1964 version obverse, it is not identical.
In 1964 a lock of hair overflowed the tail of R in Liberty. On these coins (and the regular 2014 strikes) the hair is entirely separate from the tail of the R. >>
They redid the thing digitally. We may find slight variances all over. Has anyone taken a caliper and measured bust heights and field curvature?
Perhaps saying it is a recreated 1964 style obverse is needed?
Erik...embarrassed Erik
<< <i>...I bought 5 sets and sent 2 of them in for grading (the other 3 sets looked like they had been used as arcade coinage for at least a couple years)...I will say that I was honestly wishing that that the priority small flat-rate (non-registered) box that I sent them in would get lost or stolen so it would save me $203 in grading costs...don't ask me why I sent them in for FS and TrueView other than there is one really clean Philly coin...I am still drinking heavily wondering why I did this. Also, just my luck....PCGS got the coins safely and in one day...I am pretty sure that if the box was tampered with and somebody opened it thinking they scored, that once they found out what I did they laughed non-stop while taping it back up and letting it flow to its destination
Erik...embarrassed Erik
<=== sheep cut from the same wool cloth
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<< <i>...I bought 5 sets and sent 2 of them in for grading (the other 3 sets looked like they had been used as arcade coinage for at least a couple years)...I will say that I was honestly wishing that that the priority small flat-rate (non-registered) box that I sent them in would get lost or stolen so it would save me $203 in grading costs...don't ask me why I sent them in for FS and TrueView other than there is one really clean Philly coin...I am still drinking heavily wondering why I did this. Also, just my luck....PCGS got the coins safely and in one day...I am pretty sure that if the box was tampered with and somebody opened it thinking they scored, that once they found out what I did they laughed non-stop while taping it back up and letting it flow to its destination
Erik...embarrassed Erik
<=== sheep cut from the same wool cloth >>
...indeed my friend...indeed
Erik
BHNC #203
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<< <i>I called CS on the day of release asking about numbers for the submission form. Told I didn't need them on the form.
Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins. >>
...they certainly are required and if you sent them in without then your in for a rude awakening. Somebody at PCGS CS gave you bad advice.
Erik >>
They are NOT required!!!!!!!!!! Someone gave you bad info!! I submitted orders twice at the ANA show and spoke to the PCGS people in person. Submit in capsules or w/o, it makes no difference how you do it. It is very challenging getting them out of the capsules so I recommend you rip the capsule off the cardboard and put the capsule in a flip. You are wasting your time and their time by sending it in original packing. Now NGC is another story.
<< <i>...I bought 5 sets and sent 2 of them in for grading (the other 3 sets looked like they had been used as arcade coinage for at least a couple years)...I will say that I was honestly wishing that that the priority small flat-rate (non-registered) box that I sent them in would get lost or stolen so it would save me $203 in grading costs...don't ask me why I sent them in for FS and TrueView other than there is one really clean Philly coin...I am still drinking heavily wondering why I did this. Also, just my luck....PCGS got the coins safely and in one day...I am pretty sure that if the box was tampered with and somebody opened it thinking they scored, that once they found out what I did they laughed non-stop while taping it back up and letting it flow to its destination
Erik...embarrassed Erik
Well written, Erik. Really got me laughing (with you, not at you).
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<< <i>I called CS on the day of release asking about numbers for the submission form. Told I didn't need them on the form.
Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins. >>
...they certainly are required and if you sent them in without then your in for a rude awakening. Somebody at PCGS CS gave you bad advice.
Erik >>
They are NOT required!!!!!!!!!! Someone gave you bad info!! I submitted orders twice at the ANA show and spoke to the PCGS people in person. Submit in capsules or w/o, it makes no difference how you do it. It is very challenging getting them out of the capsules so I recommend you rip the capsule off the cardboard and put the capsule in a flip. You are wasting your time and their time by sending it in original packing. Now NGC is another story. >>
I was going to call CS tomorrow morning again...thanks Manorcourtman for your confirmation that I got the right info the first time I called.
Not a big effort....
<< <i>would any of you need the OGP to know what the coins were? >>
Not really the point...I tried to find the submission requirements from PCGS and NGC and came up empty....I did see the ANA show requirements for both but, for the most part, that has no value for the other bazillion Kennedy's to be submitted....
Any grading company should be pro-active in saying what needs to be done to get a certain series graded..prices/requirements etc......not rocket science
if we know what he coins are without the ogp, then they will , too.
the sealed boxes requirements (that included the ogp inside) were because of pre-existing coins from other mint products. the only way for the pcgs people to know the coins came from that set was to have them shipped in sealed boxes still inthe ogp.
not the case here.
You don't need to send the whole 2 coin Kennedy set folder to get grading, the capsules are sufficient.
<< <i>Any indication that these will be the END of the series? >>
There has been no indication.
"Why would the US Mint discontinue a coin which they just finished celebrating/commemorating after having produced it for 50 years?"
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I called CS on the day of release asking about numbers for the submission form. Told I didn't need them on the form.
Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins. >>
...they certainly are required and if you sent them in without then your in for a rude awakening. Somebody at PCGS CS gave you bad advice.
Erik >>
Well, I'll find out here in another week or so since I'm going to submit some raw. No holders, no packaging, just flips.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I called CS on the day of release asking about numbers for the submission form. Told I didn't need them on the form.
Asked if they had to come in the original folder and was told no, they knew the difference from business strikes not to worry.
Asked if I could submit in the capsules or should use the flips PCGS supplied was told the capsules were fine.
So no, the folders are not required to be sent in to get the correct labeling as the 2 coin set coins. >>
...they certainly are required and if you sent them in without then your in for a rude awakening. Somebody at PCGS CS gave you bad advice.
Erik >>
Well, I'll find out here in another week or so since I'm going to submit some raw. No holders, no packaging, just flips. >>
I stand corrected as another forum member call CS today and got the real scoop…I was mislead by PCGS customer service and I apologize to the board for any confusion I may have caused.
Erik