Morgan Dollar: Guess the grade, how did it tone this way, Grade revealed post #30
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Here is a....lets call it unique....1884-O Morgan Dollar. Feel free to give me thoughts on grade but I was really curious on how it tones this way. I have my thought but I am no toning expert. You can also share your opinions on the coin, can't hurt my feelings on this one. I know this thivck toning is very hard for a guess the grade but you can throw something if you want.
Here are 2 sort of glam shots, but not really a glam coin:
And then a little closer up shots:
Here are 2 sort of glam shots, but not really a glam coin:
And then a little closer up shots:
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MS65.....was in a fish tank?
enough to make that kind of pattern.
I have a 1883 Morgan with a similar, but not so nice, a pattern. I used that dollar for learning how to
do a specific gravity test, in and out of the water over several days. Now we have that pattern developing
in kind. I can only assume that the impurities in the water made the pattern.
WAG: MS65+
bob
Mine from repeated dipping in house water:
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As for the grade, I would speculate 64 maybe 65 - obviously a lot of that is dependent upon the luster and how muted it is
I had an 1892-O Barber Half you photoed 2 years ago with a similar toning pattern: 1892-O Half PC-58 BluCC Photo
Other photos showing the pattern a little more clearly IMO:
As for how it toned, no expert here, either, but it appears to have been in an album. The mottliness (?) probably has less to do with the album than with where it was before the album, which prepared the surfaces (poorly) to receive the toning from the album.
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once it wasn't rinsed properly, it was put in an album, or some other environment for it to tone like that.. maybe old envelope.
I'm seeing a technical 67
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<< <i>Gotta think that was caused by humidity. >>
Eric
Not a look I care for.
Long of time spent in a manilla envelope?
Okay,so what MS grade that the coin doesn't deserve did the TPG give the coin?
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
That'd be my suspicions of the coin based on the toning in the periphery as well as the splotchiness (mottled, if we must) , etc., that I'm seeing.
Common date, no big deal. Worse things happen. It's a natural… my guess.
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<< <i>Sprayed with an extremely fine mist of house water. Chemicals in the water, chlorine, fluoride, etc are
enough to make that kind of pattern.
bob
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I asked permission to photo the obverse and reverse, as well as the leather pouch
where the coin has been for a long time.
Every environment is different. Another day at the shop. Not that I disagree that the OP's coin wasn't in leather. Coins react in unstable places in a variety of ways.
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Erik
<< <i>Leather pouch/purse/wallet >>
That's what I thought right off....
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I am curious to see how PCGS views it.
MS65?
My first thought was leather, was just curious for other thoughts and opinions, thanks for all the input!
<< <i>…so the 80s took a break from the leather pouch and was stored in PVC sometime in the 1970's and then put back into the leather pouch??? Isn't that green slime PVC damage???
Erik >>
Yes PVC damage- also look like some harshly cleaned it by all the hairlines. This is probably what happened to the toning.