No Details on this?
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Sorry if it's been discussed before, but this (beautiful) 1795 half was graded MS63. Just trying to learn why there was no details grade. Again, not my coin......wish it was though.
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Planchets were weighed before striking, and any over weight were filed to bring them into weight compliance. The striking of the coin often did not obliterate the filing, (or adjustment), marks.
My (significantly) less impressive VG-10 1798 dollar shows signs of adjustment marks, and I take them as signs of history, rather than damage.
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just in case anyone asks or wonders. the way the lines can get across the various surface depths/heights was that the filing was mostly done pre-strike. at least from what my reading has conveyed to me on this forum and in books/articles/magazines/publications. (yes we have discussed how the strike didn't "fill in" the "grooves.") and the consensus was, they didn't fill in because they didn't fill in, ok! it is one of those circular logic things.
also, they would measure them to the grain (1 grain = .0648 gram) again, from my readings. i presume that one gram then is the same as now?
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<< <i>These are part of the production process and therefore have little impact on grade. >>
I think they look terrible!
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<< <i>These are part of the production process and therefore have little impact on grade. >>
I think they look terrible! >>
No doubt, they DO influence value. Given this coin, and another of similar quality with no adjustment marks, I'm betting there would be a significant difference in sale price.
(Maybe of more concern, however, is the fact that the coin is nearly blast white? Not exactly the look one expects from a 220 year old coin....)
Added: Though, looking at it, I don't see it as a "dipped out" coin, devoid of life. Maybe it was just well stored for that long....I can't claim any expertise, I'm afraid.
Here's a tough 50c piece. Not mine, just something I shot for a Sheridan Downey auction a few years ago.
Lance.
The OP coin is an O-130 berries 7-10 and an R.5 coin.
It sold 14 years ago for over $32K at Heritage. There
haven't been many at this grade. At this sale it was listed
as the finest example of the variety & highest condition census.
This coin may have had a bit more toning at the time of this sale.
Adjustment marks were added on the planchet to reduce the
weight to the standard set by the Act of April 2, 1792 that
required it to be .892 2/5 fine silver & coin weight of 208 grains.
Adjustment marks tend to show up on the raised devices after
striking, even though the marks were probably also on the
edges & fields of the coin.
I am not bothered by adjustment marks, however a more perfect
coin would not have them.
R.I.P. Bear
The coin has been dipped, but too many of you use the terms "dipped" and "cleaned" interchangeably which is not correct. It is possible that this would have been as dark as a piece of coal had it not been dipped and properly stored at some point.
Here is a 1795, in a much lower grade, that also has adjustment marks. These marks can lower the value, but not the technical grade if they are sever enough.
<< <i>You can use the "adjustment mark" argument all day long and it will not change my opinion of the coin. It is ugly. I would not buy it. >>
That is certainly your right, but if you are going to buy older coins, you will have to accept crude production procedures that are reflected in products.
If you think this bad, check out the Oak Tree and Pine Tree Massachusetts coinage that was stuck bent because it was made on a rocker press. I'm now collecting hammered English coinage, which also has its idiosyncrasies.
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