New and improved EBay ripoff attempt
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The eBay buyer from Thomasville Ga purchased two gold coins and paid $1200 by Paypal last Thursday pm. Buyer requested by text message, then eBay message system that I ship coins to brother in Ft Lauderdale. I checked out the buyers feedback and they had never sold or purchased any coins. I called Paypal and said that I had a potential fraud and they saw no problems with the account- said OK to ship but only to Paypal address. I contacted buyer and they said OK to ship to Ga. Coins go out by priority mail and tracking alerts me that the coins were undeliverable to the Paypal address - no attempted delivery - as soon as they hit the Thomasville PO on Saturday the coins are tagged as undeliverable. Monday I call USPS and they say the coins are likely being returned to me .Wednesday the buyer hits me with an eBay item not delivered claim and my Paypal funds are frozen. I contact buyer and explain that I cover shipping label in clear packing tape,coins in envelope inside small flat rate box so don't see how package could have been damaged or why the local PO made no attempt to deliver? Buyer says they checked with their PO and they didn't know what happened - perhaps the label was damaged ?Wednesday the coins show up in Tampa rather than heading back towards Atlanta. Last night the coins show up in Jacksonville Fla and today ,6 days after the coins hit Thomasville Ga,they are delivered and signed for in Gainesville Fla. I call USPS and luckily get a very helpful CSR who listens to my story and believes all my red flags. She puts me on hold and comes back to tell me that the buyer had filed an official change of address from Thomasville Ga to the delivery address in Gainesville Fla. I spoke to Paypal,then eBay fraud departments and gave them all the info and USPS case number - the eBay case was closed in my favor and the funds were released. The USPS CSR filed a mail fraud case including the brothers address in Ft Lauderdale,so hopefully the Postal Inspectors pursue the case. FYI the USPS CSR told me that since the coins were delivered and signed for, I could not file a claim with USPS insurance. Oddly enough eBay CSR really seemed uninterested in the details of the potential fraud, I think they primarily decided in my favor because the coins had been delivered and signed for. A couple more days in postal limbo and the case would have automatically closed in the buyers favor, I would have been out the coins and the $1200!
Pm me for eBay buyer and her "brothers" name or in a case like this should I just go ahead and post them?
Pm me for eBay buyer and her "brothers" name or in a case like this should I just go ahead and post them?
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One reason I like shipping registered on high dollar items is the fact that the long delivery time allows a sender to recall the shipment from the post office (have it returned to sender) at the first hint of a bad buyer. Not sure if other types of mail service can be recalled, but if so their quicker delivery time narrows the window of recall opportunity.
And hats off to the public servant at USPS.
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Gainesville is hours (5?) from Ft Lauderdale but perhaps a visit was planned?
Thanks
bob
<< <i>Couldn't the buyer legitimately have been in Fla? By a move? Gainesville is hours (5?) from Ft Lauderdale but perhaps a visit was planned? >>
Then why the claim of not received after only six days?
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Sorry
<< <i>I wonder if they went from Thomasville to Tampa to Jacksonville to Gainesville because of multiple address changes (is that possible?) >>
sometimes mail travels like a magic bullet once did in Dallas.
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First you say: "Wednesday the buyer hits me with an eBay item not delivered claim and my Paypal funds are frozen."
Then you say: "Wednesday the coins show up in Tampa rather than heading back towards Atlanta. Last night the coins show up in Jacksonville Fla and today ,6 days after the coins hit Thomasville Ga, they are delivered and signed for in Gainesville Fla" (To the address the buyer initially asked for?) (My Comment)
Then you say: "I spoke to Paypal, then eBay fraud departments and gave them all the info and USPS case number - the eBay case was closed in my favor and the funds were released."
Then you say: "FYI the USPS CSR told me that since the coins were delivered and signed for, I could not file a claim with USPS insurance. "
It sounds to me like the buyer bought and paid for the coins then asked you to ship to a Ft. Lauderdale address.
The coins were ultimately delivered to that address and you got your funds.
Right?
If so, what's the problem as it sounds to me like the fella moved and filed the appropriate change of address forms with the PO. Buyer got the coins, you got your money.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I've read this story twice now, and I'm having a hard time with this being a scam. The buyer(s) never had both the coins and money in hand did they? Is it possible that the buyers in the middle of a move, purchase your items. After filing a change of address with the PO, not sure how long that begins after the request to change? Since you had signature confirmation on the package, how were they going to get both the coins and the money in the end? Only way this turns out as a scam. As for a package pinging it's way around Florida, not unusual for the USPS. Routinely see my packages go the opposite direction than the destination on the first or second leg of the journey. Maybe I'm missing something here. I think we are all overly sensitive because of the value of what we are mailing. Just my thoughts. >>
Absolutely NOT possible since the OP is a crack detective working on a suspicious eBay transaction involving him getting paid for and shipping 2 coins he sold and the coins getting delivered to the address originally requested by the buyer!
End of Story!
The name is LEE!
What I missed wasn't in the OP, but in the reply underneath.
Now that the buyer claims they went to the Thomasville PO and that the phone reps at the PO says there was a change of address in, that is highly suspicious and just doesn't make sense unless something is up.
I would say it is likely an attempt to get the gold and the money back.
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<< <i>I've read this story twice now, and I'm having a hard time with this being a scam. The buyer(s) never had both the coins and money in hand did they? Is it possible that the buyers in the middle of a move, purchase your items. After filing a change of address with the PO, not sure how long that begins after the request to change? Since you had signature confirmation on the package, how were they going to get both the coins and the money in the end? Only way this turns out as a scam. As for a package pinging it's way around Florida, not unusual for the USPS. Routinely see my packages go the opposite direction than the destination on the first or second leg of the journey. Maybe I'm missing something here. I think we are all overly sensitive because of the value of what we are mailing. Just my thoughts. >>
Absolutely NOT possible since the OP is a crack detective working on a suspicious eBay transaction involving him getting paid for and shipping 2 coins he sold and the coins getting delivered to the address originally requested by the buyer!
End of Story! >>
nah.
Gainesville is ~5 hours north of Ft. Lauderdale (using the speed limint)
They went someplace totally new to the OP.
read the reply to me underneath the OP for the rest of the story,
The OP needs to edit the reply to me into the OP to avoid further confused folks.
From the OP: "Buyer says they checked with their PO and they didn't know what happened - perhaps the label was damaged ?," yet the buyer knew that a new delivery address had been provided to the post office by the same buyer. Sounds suspicious enough for me. Blocked.
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many years ago I had a buyer with a change of address in to go to school in Utah from Colo. They forgot. When I called the Colo. PO they told me and I told them. They were in Colo waiting for it. Luckily it was Christmas Break instead of summer. So they got it in UT soon enough.
Since you're into timelines- the coins were purchased on a Thursday . The buyer told me to ship to the Ga address on Friday. The coins are rerouted at the Thomasville PO on Saturday because of a change of address form filled out by the buyer. The buyer -who apparently forgot they were moving that week - checks on the coins at the Thomasville PO. The CSR fails to discover that the buyer isn't receiving mail because it's being forwarded to Gainesville Fl. The buyer files a item not received case on Wednesday then moves to Gainesville Fla in time for Friday afternoon mail. Yep seems entirely reasonable.
How could the buyer get the refund and the coins? The coins aren't delivered to the Thomasville Ga address. The buyer gets their refund from eBay on Sunday the 23rd and blames the USPS for screwing up and delivering the coins to someone in Gainesville Fla. How hard would eBay dig into this? I was lucky to have a USPS CSR that looked into the situation and found the change of address form.
It's a simple matter of writing or stamping RETURN SERVICE REQUESTED below the "from" address or above the "to" address.
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<< <i>19lyds - I did some deep digging and used my deductive powers as a true crack detective to uncover that Gainesville and FtLauderdale -while both located in Florida- are actually completely different cities that are 5 hrs apart!!
Since you're into timelines- the coins were purchased on a Thursday . The buyer told me to ship to the Ga address on Friday. The coins are rerouted at the Thomasville PO on Saturday because of a change of address form filled out by the buyer. The buyer -who apparently forgot they were moving that week - checks on the coins at the Thomasville PO. The CSR fails to discover that the buyer isn't receiving mail because it's being forwarded to Gainesville Fl. The buyer files a item not received case on Wednesday then moves to Gainesville Fla in time for Friday afternoon mail. Yep seems entirely reasonable.
How could the buyer get the refund and the coins? The coins aren't delivered to the Thomasville Ga address. The buyer gets their refund from eBay on Sunday the 23rd and blames the USPS for screwing up and delivering the coins to someone in Gainesville Fla. How hard would eBay dig into this? I was lucky to have a USPS CSR that looked into the situation and found the change of address form. >>
Well..............first off, you got your money so the buyer "didn't" get a refund? Right?
Secondly, the buyer didn't forget she'd moved but just "maybe" the buyer forgot to change her PayPal delivery address? Once she realized this she contacted you asking for delivery to the new address which she also had filed with the Post Office?
I don't believe that this was a scam as much as confusion on both parties parts and yes, thankfully you DID ship with Priority Mail instead of 1st Class ("if I hadn't upgraded and mailed the coins by priority mail rather than first class as listed in the eBay ad").
One more thing, let's not forget that this ladies eBay handle is 5002erin and her name happens to be Erin?
Sounds like a real scammer to me.
BTW, did she leave you feedback on the 20th?
The name is LEE!
Is that about right?
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Scam or unintentional, the OP stood a good chance of not getting his item or his money back. Only through his effort and a little luck with helpful contacts did he prevail. My concern is preventing this from happening to me. I have taken the precautions to do so by blocking a potentially problem buyer and by finding a way to keep shipments from being forwarded (see my earlier post).
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<< <i>The issue here is that the buyer did not update or change their confirmed shipping address with paypal. If she had the time to put in a forwarding order with the USPS, she ought to have updated her paypal confirmed address, too. If you're a seller, would you want to be shipping higher dollar packages to an intermediate address and hoppe the USPS forwards the package before an impatient buyer gets a full refund and you are SOL? >>
Updating a "Confirmed Address" in PayPal changes that address to "Unconfirmed".
Additionally, since I've fallen into this recently, eBay made some changes to their system so that a simple inquiry changes to "opening a case".
In this thread, something as simple as doing a "Contact the Seller" actually "Opens a Case".
Specifically:
When you open the "Contact Seller" on an item you've purchase, you get presented with several options.
Select a topic
o - I haven't received my item yet (1)
o - Item I received is not as described (0)
o - Request to change an order (0)
o - Combined shipping (0)
o - Payment and checkout (4)
o - Returns (2)
o - Shipping (2)
o - Details about item (1)
o - Other (0)
IF, you select anything other than OTHER, you get a secondary menu asking for specifics. This is the menu where you can type in the email to the seller which is actually a "Resolve a Problem" menu.
I expect that this is what occurred for the buyer.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Updating a "Confirmed Address" in PayPal changes that address to "Unconfirmed". >>
It is still the address that paypal requires shipment be sent to. A paypal account holder can easily update an unconfirmed address to a confirmed address. The advantage of knowing if an address is confirmed by paypal gives a seller the option of deciding whether or not to complete a transaction when a "suspect" address is involved. Until paypal confirms the address is legit, in my book it remains suspect.
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Updating your new address as a confirmed address is very quick and easy to do. When I moved, I had it updated within a matter of a day or two.
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<< <i>Updating a "Confirmed Address" in PayPal changes that address to "Unconfirmed". >>
It is still the address that paypal requires shipment be sent to. A paypal account holder can easily update and unconfirmed address to a confirmed address. The advantage of knowing if an address is confirmed by paypal gives a seller the option of deciding whether or not to complete a transaction when a "suspect" address is involved. Until paypal confirms the address is legit, in my book it remains suspect. >>
Was the item NOT sent to the PayPal address and then forwarded since she had filled out a Change of Address with the Post Office?
<< <i>Updating a "Confirmed Address" in PayPal changes that address to "Unconfirmed".
Updating your new address as a confirmed address is very quick and easy to do. When I moved, I had it updated within a matter of a day or two. >>
Provided, you're not in the middle of a move, anything is possible.
I just do not see a problem here much less a scam.
The seller received his money, the buyer received her coins.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Was the item NOT sent to the PayPal address and then forwarded since she had filled out a Change of Address with the Post Office? >>
Appears to be the case but paypal, in a claim scenario, does not see that there was a change of address filed with the post office, only that the delivered to address is different than the address that paypal required the seller to ship to. For this reason paypal could very easily side with a buyer who will end up with the item (at the new address) and the money (because item was received at a different address than the one seller was required to ship to even though he actually did shipped to it). Proof of delivery (tracking) that paypal (or ebay) reviews during a claim does not indicate that buyer changed his address with the post office, only that item was received at (and assumed shipped to) an address different than the one required for seller protection.
There is a reason paypal requires shipment to the address shown on the paypal "details" page and indication (such as a change of address by the buyer) that it went to a different address is reason enough for paypal to side with the buyer even though buyer was at the different address to receive it.
The OP's case may very well not have been an attempted scam. However the results could have been the same.
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I agree with derryb's last sentence in the previous post.
If you are going to buy gold on ebay while moving, take the time to update your paypal address or if you're too busy to do that, wait till you have time to do so before buying 1K+ items.
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So now its block buyers over would "could have" happened instead of exactly what happened.
I get it.
The name is LEE!
However, it is highly unusual that the recipient went to the local PO, forgetting they submitted the change of address, and was not told about their own change of address by the PO people, which that PO should be aware of.
<< <i>Right.
So now its block buyers over would "could have" happened instead of exactly what happened.
I get it. >>
Don't recall ever saying to block the buyer, but you can draw your own conclusions, I suppose.
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<< <i>it is still possible both the PO and the recipient did not think of the change of address.
However, it is highly unusual that the recipient went to the local PO, forgetting they submitted the change of address, and was not told about their own change of address by the PO people, which that PO should be aware of. >>
What?
You know, this thread is full of assumptions and presumptions that have no basis in fact other than the OP "thinks" he's uncovered some type of scam where the buyer pays for coins, receives coins, seller gets paid and buyer leaves feed back.
No listing link, no facts, not even a noteworthy description of what really occurred.
You wanna fry this buyer then go for it!
I choose, instead, to try and make some sense out of this based upon my own personal experiences on how badly even the simplest of transactions can end up.
Detectives......we are not..........but lots of folks want to believe that they are.
The name is LEE!
When was the case closed?
Has the buyer sent any further messages since then?
Has the buyer Left Negative Feedback? Neutral Feedback? Positive Feedback?
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<< <i>it is still possible both the PO and the recipient did not think of the change of address.
However, it is highly unusual that the recipient went to the local PO, forgetting they submitted the change of address, and was not told about their own change of address by the PO people, which that PO should be aware of. >>
What?
You know, this thread is full of assumptions and presumptions that have no basis in fact other than the OP "thinks" he's uncovered some type of scam where the buyer pays for coins, receives coins, seller gets paid and buyer leaves feed back.
No listing link, no facts, not even a noteworthy description of what really occurred.
You wanna fry this buyer then go for it!
I choose, instead, to try and make some sense out of this based upon my own personal experiences on how badly even the simplest of transactions can end up.
Detectives......we are not..........but lots of folks want to believe that they are. >>
This thread was never really about "detective work," imo. In my mind, the circumstances simply illustrate the risks in shipping an item to a conmfirmed/unconfirmed address, and what may happen as a result (in this case, the package being "undeliverable" to the paypal address on file and forwarded to an address that had no affiliation to the buyer's paypal account). Let's be frank here~as a seller on ebay, you have no idea if the person you are dealing with is honest, trustworthy, a scammer or a thief. That is why paypal has certain requirements in place to protect the seller, but a determined scammer (again, NOT saying the buyer in this case was/is a scammer) will try to work around those requirements. In this case, the package was delivered to a different address with a different zip code from the paypal confirmed address. Paypal could just as easily have ruled in the buyer's favor on an INR claim had the OP not been made privvy to the forwarding address order info by the PO, in which case the buyer would have both the gold and their money back. If you can't see the inherent risk in dealing under those circumstances, not knowing with whom you are dealing in an ebay transcation, you are being rather naive.
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<< <i>
<< <i>it is still possible both the PO and the recipient did not think of the change of address.
However, it is highly unusual that the recipient went to the local PO, forgetting they submitted the change of address, and was not told about their own change of address by the PO people, which that PO should be aware of. >>
What?
You know, this thread is full of assumptions and presumptions that have no basis in fact other than the OP "thinks" he's uncovered some type of scam where the buyer pays for coins, receives coins, seller gets paid and buyer leaves feed back.
No listing link, no facts, not even a noteworthy description of what really occurred.
You wanna fry this buyer then go for it!
I choose, instead, to try and make some sense out of this based upon my own personal experiences on how badly even the simplest of transactions can end up.
Detectives......we are not..........but lots of folks want to believe that they are. >>
This thread was never really about "detective work," imo. In my mind, the circumstances simply illustrate the risks in shipping an item to a conmfirmed/unconfirmed address, and what may happen as a result (in this case, the package being "undeliverable" to the paypal address on file and forwarded to an address that had no affiliation to the buyer's paypal account). Let's be frank here~as a seller on ebay, you have no idea if the person you are dealing with is honest, trustworthy, a scammer or a thief. That is why paypal has certain requirements in place to protect the seller, but a determined scammer (again, NOT saying the buyer in this case was/is a scammer) will try to work around those requirements. In this case, the package was delivered to a different address with a different zip code from the paypal confirmed address. Paypal could just as easily have ruled in the buyer's favor on an INR claim had the OP not been made privvy to the forwarding address order info by the PO, in which case the buyer would have both the gold and their money back. If you can't see the inherent risk in dealing under those circumstances, not knowing with whom you are dealing in an ebay transcation, you are being rather naive. >>
I have no examples of what or how a tracked package shows up in the system with a destination to an address that has been officially changed but I would imagine that on a Saturday afternoon, it would be marked as undeliverable (to the current address - not the forwarded address)
The package DID show up and was signed for at the forwarding address. From what I can tell, the buyer even left positive feedback for the seller on June 20th.
Simply an unusual situation (buyer moving), presented without all the details and then blown way put of proportion toward the scam side of the house.
Have you folks forgotten that you cannot believe everything you read? Especially in "one-sided" situations.
<< <i>Let's be frank here~as a seller on ebay, you have no idea if the person you are dealing with is honest, trustworthy, a scammer or a thief. >>
True. Which is why I let my feedback talk to me. When the coins get delivered, which it looks like they did signature and all, AND buyer has left feedback, which it looks like she did, then I consider that a successful transaction.
I cannot support the paranoia which is running rampant to the point of sullying someone's name, publically, on a perfectly legitimate transaction. The seller, IMO, over-reacted and now wants the buyer to pay for that over-reaction.
The name is LEE!
The buyer left positive feedback last night about 11pm EST
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<< <i>I for one do not want to do business with someone who cannot keep their account up to date or who cannot remember that they just changed their address with the post office. There are too many responsible buyers out their to be taking my chances with such a buyer. Intentional or not, the buyer in question caused problems for the seller - my definition of a problem buyer. >>
Well said, and simply the point of this entire thread, imo.
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<< <i>I for one do not want to do business with someone who cannot keep their account up to date or who cannot remember that they just changed their address with the post office. There are too many responsible buyers out their to be taking my chances with such a buyer. Intentional or not, the buyer in question caused problems for the seller - my definition of a problem buyer. >>
Nor would I want to do business with this buyer. Being irresponsible, in my mind, is different than trying to rip somebody off, as the OP's title states. Who tries to pull a scam using their own first name? At any rate, I'm
happy the OP received his money and all is good. The return service request suggestion is a good one. Every thread has something to give?
The eBay buyers new new address (according to eBay) is Satellite Beach Fla. (???) For 19lyds , I did some more detective work and discovered that this is a 3rd completely different city than Gainesville or Ft Lauderdale ,although they are all in Florida.
The case was closed in my favor yesterday evening the 20th
The buyer left positive feedback for me 6hrs after the case was closed on one of the coins . She also sent a message through eBay that somehow - "she has no idea how" ( for 19lyds that means this part is a quote from her email)- the coins were mailed to her daughter who moved to Gainesville last month. She also said the coins were left in her daughters mailbox with no signature . Keep in mind that the USPS CSR told me that the buyer put in a change of address form also after looking online I can tell you that the package was signed for (by someone with a different last name than the eBay buyer)
Also just checked online and the phone number she texted me from has a FT Lauderdale area code.(which is where she originally requested I mail the coins)
I'm sure that 19lyds will point out that the Ga PO could have accidentally forwarded the coins to the daughter because they have the same name and the mom didn't know that daughter put in a change form ( yep that's possible ) Perhaps the Postman in Gainesville forged a signature or asked a random stranger to sign and then left an insured priority mail package in the daughters mailbox ( very very unlikely) Really can't come up with any reasons why the Mom would tell me LAST FRIDAY to ship $1200 worth of gold coins TO GA when she knew that she was moving 5hrs away to Satellite Beach in less than a week.
19lyds do you seriously think that only men can be involved in fraud ? Or perhaps a possibility that you can accept - that a man on the internet can't pose as a woman? Yes stuff happens but in this sale there were way way too many red flags and untruths. Since a lot of us have blocked this poor woman who is quite busy moving all over the Southeast, why don't you contact her through eBay and sell her a few grand worth of your coins? Just mail them to her brother Delio in Ft Lauderdale. Don't worry about signature confirmation or those silly paypal rules, that stuff is just for paranoid delusional detective wannabes.
<< <i>OK all here's a few updates
The eBay buyers new new address (according to eBay) is Satellite Beach Fla. (???) For 19lyds , I did some more detective work and discovered that this is a 3rd completely different city than Gainesville or Ft Lauderdale ,although they are all in Florida.
The case was closed in my favor yesterday evening the 20th
The buyer left positive feedback for me 6hrs after the case was closed on one of the coins . She also sent a message through eBay that somehow - "she has no idea how" ( for 19lyds that means this part is a quote from her email)- the coins were mailed to her daughter who moved to Gainesville last month. She also said the coins were left in her daughters mailbox with no signature . Keep in mind that the USPS CSR told me that the buyer put in a change of address form also after looking online I can tell you that the package was signed for (by someone with a different last name than the eBay buyer)
Also just checked online and the phone number she texted me from has a FT Lauderdale area code.(which is where she originally requested I mail the coins)
I'm sure that 19lyds will point out that the Ga PO could have accidentally forwarded the coins to the daughter because they have the same name and the mom didn't know that daughter put in a change form ( yep that's possible ) Perhaps the Postman in Gainesville forged a signature or asked a random stranger to sign and then left an insured priority mail package in the daughters mailbox ( very very unlikely) Really can't come up with any reasons why the Mom would tell me LAST FRIDAY to ship $1200 worth of gold coins TO GA when she knew that she was moving 5hrs away to Satellite Beach in less than a week.
19lyds do you seriously think that only men can be involved in fraud ? Or perhaps a possibility that you can accept - that a man on the internet can't pose as a woman? Yes stuff happens but in this sale there were way way too many red flags and untruths. Since a lot of us have blocked this poor woman who is quite busy moving all over the Southeast, why don't you contact her through eBay and sell her a few grand worth of your coins? Just mail them to her brother Delio in Ft Lauderdale. Don't worry about signature confirmation or those silly paypal rules, that stuff is just for paranoid delusional detective wannabes. >>
This is the entire problem with this transaction and thread. Your ability to "read" something which simply is not there.
Worse yet are the minions that are all too willing to follow your lead.
BTW, Gainsville FLA is only 2.5 hrs away from Thomasville GA.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>self portrait of a minion:
Looks like he saw a ghost
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Area code on mobile phones is no big deal. You can move + keep your number.
Perhaps the purpose for asking to send them to Ft Lauderdale was the move. It's a lot closer to Sat Beach than GA.
And mail delivery guys have improperly delivered things before.
On the other hand, if you told them you have the postal inspectors involved, perhaps this is a cover story after the fact.
It's been a lot of drama on here and ebay.
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