Are these two the same coin?? -- Better Pics

Ed62 · June 15, 2014 1:12PM

Coin A better pic

Coin B better pic

Note toning splotch patterns on the left side from the star through 'UN' of 'UNITED'

And on the upper right side look at the toning splotch patterns through 'AMER', See especially the downward sloping small splotch (including the toning dot at the top) running from the upper serif of 'E' almost to the upright of the 'R'. This appears to be conclusive -- they are the same coin.

joebb21 · June 15, 2014 1:17PM

Looks like it to me. See mark between u and n from UNUM

crypto79 · June 15, 2014 1:33PM

Yes toning spots by star 1

Unknown · June 15, 2014 1:43PM

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lostincoins · June 15, 2014 1:53PM

If these are the same coin then some field marks have been removed. G of GOD is different, an X in the field after Trust is missing, reeding imprint left bottom star missing, nick by ear missing, nick by IN is missing and more but it could be my eyes.

bestmr · June 15, 2014 2:08PM

I'd say different. The nick next to the star closest to the neck isn't in the second one. Although, I didn't look at the bigger view of it not having an account with Heritage.

ms70 · June 15, 2014 2:13PM

I think they're different.

MidLifeCrisis · June 15, 2014 2:13PM

It's obvious from the above posts that you're not going to get a definitive answer.

Why are you asking the question?

MsMorrisine · June 15, 2014 2:19PM

the NGC one says PR66CAM ex Simpson

Ed62 · June 15, 2014 7:55PM

"Why are you asking the question? "

Because if the two coins are the same there will be only three known (R-8) instead of the currently accepted total of four known (Hi R-7).

coindudeonebay · June 15, 2014 8:51PM

I do not believe they are the same. The one pictured on the NGC website has a very distinctive mark in front of the bridge of the nose. That marker is not there on the Heritage coin.

Ed62 · June 15, 2014 9:42PM

See original post above for links to better images along with some commentary. Doubters be ready to change your minds.

keets · June 15, 2014 10:19PM

the link to the second picture doesn't allow me to see the picture without signing in somewhere.

BillJones · June 16, 2014 12:02AM

<< the link to the second picture doesn't allow me to see the picture without signing in somewhere. >>

Same here.

lostincoins · June 16, 2014 1:24AM

Markers are still different so?

MsMorrisine · June 16, 2014 1:30AM

I would look at the obverse and the bit of chatter next to the first star on the left of the date.

joebb21 · June 16, 2014 3:28AM

The biggest problem with high grade proof coins is that one light hairline which can be seen in picture 1 cannot be seen in picture 2.
I kept going back and forth trying to find something big before my original statement.

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DennisH · June 16, 2014 3:41AM

<< 

<< the link to the second picture doesn't allow me to see the picture without signing in somewhere. >>

Same here. >>

Me three.

NotSure · June 16, 2014 3:48AM

No expert on this 'series', not by a long shot, but that 'splotchy' mark between the U and N of UNITED, and that 'hazy spot' in the star just between UNITED and HALF, based on those, I'd say it is undoubtedly the same coin, IMUO.

phnatacc · June 16, 2014 4:35AM

What I see as missing from one coin to the other are the two hits on the last bar of the sixth stripe. Hits tend not to be replicated as often as occasional splotches. That said I'd also say the spot under the L in HALF is missing. Lastly, it appears that the one of the Es in "e pluribus" is filled where the other is not.

Just my 2c.

lostincoins · June 16, 2014 4:45AM

I guess what has been throwing me on the new pics of the reverse is the difference in the details of the strike in the shield. It could be the lighting throwing it off but there are serious differences in the stripes by the lower berries where one has an indent and the other does not, the outline of the shield is also different. Could milky spots be of similar location and appearance on proof coins as a condition of the die and strike?

Shamika · June 16, 2014 6:17AM

The position of the obverse lettering relative to the crown do not seem to match up.

lostincoins · June 16, 2014 6:26AM

I see many differences but it could be because of the quality of the pics and issues that arose in between the time the 2 pics were taken.

steveben · June 16, 2014 6:38AM

same coin. toning spots near the star and between U and N in UNITED match. also, there's a diagonal mark on D in DOLLAR that can be seen on both.

TennesseeDave · June 16, 2014 7:09AM

Looks like you have your answer.
YES
NO
DEFINATELY
NO WAY

steveben · June 16, 2014 7:37AM

<< Looks like you have your answer.
YES
NO
DEFINATELY
NO WAY

>>

you forgot:

POSSIBLY
MAYBE
NOT SURE

MidLifeCrisis · June 16, 2014 9:10AM

<< "Why are you asking the question? "

Because if the two coins are the same there will be only three known (R-8) instead of the currently accepted total of four known (Hi R-7). >>

Fair enough. I suggest you contact NGC or Heritage and ask them. I would be interested in hearing the answer they give you.

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