Very interesting. I think they should call it the cursive variety............no, make that, gothic. There should be a place for this variety, collectors of this sort will enjoy. Checking the 2014 cents I have, I think I may have one but it's a 2014-D.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
<< <i>I think it is a cool find and it should be listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide as well as given a PCGS listing. It is a "Major find", but not a Major doubled die variety, if you catch the difference. >>
Good distinction, Rick. I would agree. I wouldn't argue a hair about it being in the CPG or given a PCGS listing (it's not as if it's a 'speared bison' thingie), and I would agree it could be considered a major find. It would end there though. >>
Oh Please God Oh please..... Don't let her appear.
There are good DDOs & DDRs, for the shield cent, just have to pick and choose which ones to keep, and which ones to put back, most of them are only worth a couple of dollars, but some are worth hundreds of dollars
I like the idea of "thick and thin" date being a much better description also. I looked at the pictures before I read the article and I wasn't seeing any doubling. I actually didn't see any difference until it was shown next to the normal dates. I also think that it would be better collected as a "variety" than a "major". As it really doesn't look like something I would start searching for, it doesn't mean I won't start looking as I go. It's like the errors on the 2009 lincolns. After I opened one roll and found a few, I basically lost interest as I knew there would be thousands of these running around and not really worth the effort of messing with them. As I think this may be a "cool" factor, I don't really qualify it as a major. Jmo
<< <i>I think these minot varities are a waste of time. The good ones are in the 2009's. You can not compare the 2014's with the 2009's, so why even bother. >>
Sounds like Eeyore, the gloomy donkey from the Winnie the Pooh book I use to read to my children.
<< <i>I think these minot varities are a waste of time. The good ones are in the 2009's. You can not compare the 2014's with the 2009's, so why even bother. >>
The majority of people consider the 2009 to be "minot" variations as well. While I get that the new Hubbing method produces lesser variations in the dies, IMO that doesn't increase the importance of those lesser & less dramatic anomalies. Lame is still lame even if it is the best out there.
Although I will admit there is social precedence. I remember we always used to ask if someone was "army pretty" or "real world pretty" when stationed around the world. IMO those are simply "army pretty" and wouldn't cut it in the general population.
Nice - I'll keep an eye out for one in my daily scan of pocket change. Lucky for me I'm only near-sighted. For the serious roll searchers they can add it to the list of possible finds. What is wrong with that? I'm gonna remember it as the "phatty"!
If you look at the image on the bottom right, you can see indentations, depressions, or dents above "Liberty and the Date", as if the hub were dragged into the correct alignment.
Perhaps this is what brought it to the attention of the discoverer.
However you choose to view it; thanks to all for your comments and input
To put things in perspective, most of the general public doesn't understand why collectors get so excited about things even common collectors get excited about, such as mint marks and other things.
I thought it might be useful to look at a 1955 or a 1972 at life size. At just larger than life size on my screen, I can make out the 1955 but the 1972 is a bit harder to make out.
Here's a 1955 DDO from the bay at larger than life size on my screen - just larger than a nickel.
Here's a 1972 DDO from the bay which is just larger than a quarter on my screen.
<< <i>I thought it might be useful to look at a 1955 or a 1972 at life size. At just larger than life size on my screen, I can make out the 1955 but the 1972 is a bit harder to make out.
Here's a 1955 DDO from the bay at larger than life size on my screen - just larger than a nickel.
Here's a 1972 DDO from the bay which is just larger than a quarter on my screen.
>>
It should be noted that even though both the 55/55 and 72/72 were dramatic doublings, people still figured out a way of spending them so neither coin is "that" obvious.
The individual that had some type of "magnifier" was the one that really saw the doubling as "magnification" is the backbone of coin grading AND variety attribution.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Most newly discovered varieties don't catch fire unless they're supported by the collector's community. They become, "major" when enough people get excited about them. I was all set up to get with a CPG representative but I had my doubts that I could be convincing enough to clarify my findings. Sure enough, something occurred in 1982 that gave us all those Jefferson nickel Breen varieties but without knowing exactly what happened, not having the facts straight from the mint, well.......that put a heavy burden on my theory. And, of course, I didn't want to be wasting someone's valuable time so the meeting never took place. I also had way too much on my table to set time aside to give it more attention. But like I've said, a major variety usually needs to get everyone's attention to get noticed by the main stream of the coin hobby. That's the way it is. I believe this is a 1982 over 1980 date but that's just my opinion, for now.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
<< <i>I think it is a cool find and it should be listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide as well as given a PCGS listing. It is a "Major find", but not a Major doubled die variety, if you catch the difference. >>
Good distinction, Rick. I would agree. I wouldn't argue a hair about it being in the CPG or given a PCGS listing (it's not as if it's a 'speared bison' thingie), and I would agree it could be considered a major find. It would end there though. >>
Oh Please God Oh please..... Don't let her appear. >>
If so, just get a bucket of water ready to help the melt ... and click your ruby red shows together 3 times
<< <i>Most newly discovered varieties don't catch fire unless they're supported by the collector's community. They become, "major" when enough people get excited about them. I was all set up to get with a CPG representative but I had my doubts that I could be convincing enough to clarify my findings. Sure enough, something occurred in 1982 that gave us all those Jefferson nickel Breen varieties but without knowing exactly what happened, not having the facts straight from the mint, well.......that put a heavy burden on my theory. And, of course, I didn't want to be wasting someone's valuable time so the meeting never took place. I also had way too much on my table to set time aside to give it more attention. But like I've said, a major variety usually needs to get everyone's attention to get noticed by the main stream of the coin hobby. That's the way it is. I believe this is a 1982 over 1980 date but that's just my opinion, for now.
Leo >>
Correct.
IMO, the 3 legged buffalo is not a MAJOR Variety even though current prices seem to "disagree".
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Most newly discovered varieties don't catch fire unless they're supported by the collector's community. They become, "major" when enough people get excited about them. >>
Very true. The 1960 Philly and Denver small over large date and large over small date cents took decades to catch on, even though they were known varieties shortly after being issued.
<< <i>Just like most are chumps to Trump lol..... >>
Very discouraging.
Class 1 doubled dies (55, 69, 72) haven't been seen since 1995, almost 20 yrs.
There's gotta be a place for Class VIII doubled dies.
Why minimize and belittle? >>
Papi, I actually mean no disrespect to you. I know this is exciting to you, but if you look at it clearly, it obviously is not exciting, not major, to a lot of collectors...particularly here. Same with many of the 2009 issues with the birth year Lincoln stuff. Same with the Wisconsin quarter items. For a small niche, yes, it can be exciting, but the majority of collectors, particularly those who are knowledgeable (and may not be specialists that NEED each and every little thing), this is not major nor is it exciting.
The fact that you like it is cool. The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool.
So, someone (over)paid for it on ebay. Maybe they are speculating based on some others trying to pump it up? It happens. So there hasn't been a TRUE MAJOR DDO in 20 years. That happens as well. Just because there isn't something honestly happening doesn't mean something should be made up to be what it isn't. Sure there can be a place for Class VIII "doubled dies"...just not at the same dinner table as TRULY MAJOR DDOs. They can go sit at the kiddie table.
<< <i>The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool. >>
Attack????????
This is just wrong on many levels. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm not asking anyone to anoint this coin with blessings.
I'm just saying be opened minded and stop bashing anyone that finds this class of doubled die interesting/valuable.
<< <i>The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool. >>
Attack????????
This is just wrong on many levels. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm not asking anyone to anoint this coin with blessings.
I'm just saying be opened minded and stop bashing anyone that finds this class of doubled die interesting/valuable. >>
How about keeping an open mind and stop bashing anyone who finds this "ddo" to be ?
(and, if you step back and think about it cooly, you will realize I am not the first to feel you are attacking folks...if people feel that, and you don't, then you should realize that you are coming across that way and decide if you want to keep it like that or change your approach. Totally up to you. Your passion on these issues is great, your approach to others who differ in their thoughts....not so much.
<< <i>How about keeping an open mind and stop bashing anyone who finds this "ddo" to be >>
I believe that I am open minded;............. sorry
I don't consider myself an "antiquarian".
I consider myself a numismatist"a person who studies coins" Not a someone that ridicules alternate ideas.
If you consider this to be a ; then why bother commenting on it?
I see LOTS of things that DO NOT interest me, in the least.
So, if it's of no interest; why comment at all ? >>
Easy question, so I will give you an answer.....
I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. See? Simple and honest answer
Maybe some day, you can see how attached you are to this. I can't think of a single coin/issue I have seen that I would bother fighting that much over. I may consider myself " a person who studies coins" but I haven't found any worth b*tching over this much. Commenting on? Sure. That's about it.
<< <i>I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. >>
I made it absolutely clear that I did not write the article or list the coin for sale.
<< <i>I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. >>
I made it absolutely clear that I did not write the article or list the coin for sale.
So, what was misleading? >>
The title of this thread. I too opened it because of MAJOR and was sorely disappointed...
<< <i>I may consider myself " a person who studies coins" but I haven't found any worth b*tching over; commenting on? >>
Then STOP commenting on these >>
Umm...... is my paycheck in the mail because you sound like you think you are my boss
Relax, take a chill pill, grab a beer. If you have found some of these, good for you, go sell them. If you haven't, keep looking. I am sure they are MAJOR enough to be worth thousands and you can bully people into accepting it as such.
This whole promotion of this new Major DDO is going to work out in the end. Soon it will be like the California Gold Rush - - seriously . I can see excited people sifting through 1000's of rolls , slabbing up lots of examples and patiently waiting for a market to shoot for the Stars.
Will it be as big as the 1965 double dot Lincoln? Probably. Will it be as big as the Kennedy looking at Lincoln Cent?
......... well. ........... maybe not that big .....
<< <i>I can see excited people sifting through 1000's of rolls , slabbing up lots of examples and patiently waiting for a market to shoot for the Stars. >>
I don't see that happening.
It might be cool if the label said "Distorted Die". Then "Single Squeeze" variety collectors could have their own classification; since there's not really two die impressions.
Then the traditionalists could keep their "Doubled Dies", which they truly are.
Fullstrike I will get you one but you have to pay for the grading, pay for the bank boxes (at least 10), pay for shipping and pay for any other incidental costs like cases of Baja blast Mt Dew.....
The fact that these exist causes interest because the mint said no more, well some one at the mint was sort of wrong. JMO
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<< <i>I think it is a cool find and it should be listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide as well as given a PCGS listing. It is a "Major find", but not a Major doubled die variety, if you catch the difference. >>
Good distinction, Rick.
I would agree. I wouldn't argue a hair about it being in the CPG or given a PCGS listing (it's not as if it's a 'speared bison' thingie), and I would agree it could be considered a major find. It would end there though. >>
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<< <i>I think these minot varities are a waste of time. The good ones are in the 2009's. You can not compare the 2014's with the 2009's, so why even bother. >>
Sounds like Eeyore, the gloomy donkey from the Winnie the Pooh book I use to read to my children.
<< <i>I think these minot varities are a waste of time. The good ones are in the 2009's. You can not compare the 2014's with the 2009's, so why even bother. >>
The majority of people consider the 2009 to be "minot" variations as well. While I get that the new Hubbing method produces lesser variations in the dies, IMO that doesn't increase the importance of those lesser & less dramatic anomalies. Lame is still lame even if it is the best out there.
Although I will admit there is social precedence. I remember we always used to ask if someone was "army pretty" or "real world pretty" when stationed around the world. IMO those are simply "army pretty" and wouldn't cut it in the general population.
Jim
If you look at the image on the bottom right, you can see indentations, depressions, or dents above "Liberty and the Date", as if the hub were dragged into the correct alignment.
Perhaps this is what brought it to the attention of the discoverer.
However you choose to view it; thanks to all for your comments and input
Collecting is a hobby. Have fun IMO
Here's a 1955 DDO from the bay at larger than life size on my screen - just larger than a nickel.
Here's a 1972 DDO from the bay which is just larger than a quarter on my screen.
<< <i>I thought it might be useful to look at a 1955 or a 1972 at life size. At just larger than life size on my screen, I can make out the 1955 but the 1972 is a bit harder to make out.
Here's a 1955 DDO from the bay at larger than life size on my screen - just larger than a nickel.
Here's a 1972 DDO from the bay which is just larger than a quarter on my screen.
It should be noted that even though both the 55/55 and 72/72 were dramatic doublings, people still figured out a way of spending them so neither coin is "that" obvious.
The individual that had some type of "magnifier" was the one that really saw the doubling as "magnification" is the backbone of coin grading AND variety attribution.
The name is LEE!
I believe this is a 1982 over 1980 date but that's just my opinion, for now.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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<< <i>
<< <i>I think it is a cool find and it should be listed in the Cherrypicker's Guide as well as given a PCGS listing. It is a "Major find", but not a Major doubled die variety, if you catch the difference. >>
Good distinction, Rick.
I would agree. I wouldn't argue a hair about it being in the CPG or given a PCGS listing (it's not as if it's a 'speared bison' thingie), and I would agree it could be considered a major find. It would end there though. >>
Oh Please God
Oh please.....
Don't let her appear. >>
If so, just get a bucket of water ready to help the melt ... and click your ruby red shows together 3 times
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<< <i>Most newly discovered varieties don't catch fire unless they're supported by the collector's community. They become, "major" when enough people get excited about them. I was all set up to get with a CPG representative but I had my doubts that I could be convincing enough to clarify my findings. Sure enough, something occurred in 1982 that gave us all those Jefferson nickel Breen varieties but without knowing exactly what happened, not having the facts straight from the mint, well.......that put a heavy burden on my theory. And, of course, I didn't want to be wasting someone's valuable time so the meeting never took place. I also had way too much on my table to set time aside to give it more attention. But like I've said, a major variety usually needs to get everyone's attention to get noticed by the main stream of the coin hobby. That's the way it is.
I believe this is a 1982 over 1980 date but that's just my opinion, for now.
Leo >>
Correct.
IMO, the 3 legged buffalo is not a MAJOR Variety even though current prices seem to "disagree".
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Most newly discovered varieties don't catch fire unless they're supported by the collector's community. They become, "major" when enough people get excited about them. >>
Very true. The 1960 Philly and Denver small over large date and large over small date cents took decades to catch on, even though they were known varieties shortly after being issued.
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2014 WDDO-002
<< <i>Well, I guess someone found it to be MAJOR.
2014 WDDO-002 >>
To be fair 60$ means more to some than others but I agree that is a lot to pay for a new penny.
<< <i>Just like most are chumps to Trump lol..... >>
Very discouraging.
Class 1 doubled dies (55, 69, 72) haven't been seen since 1995, almost 20 yrs.
There's gotta be a place for Class VIII doubled dies.
Why minimize and belittle?
<< <i>
<< <i>Just like most are chumps to Trump lol..... >>
Very discouraging.
Class 1 doubled dies (55, 69, 72) haven't been seen since 1995, almost 20 yrs.
There's gotta be a place for Class VIII doubled dies.
Why minimize and belittle? >>
Papi, I actually mean no disrespect to you. I know this is exciting to you, but if you look at it clearly, it obviously is not exciting, not major, to a lot of collectors...particularly here. Same with many of the 2009 issues with the birth year Lincoln stuff. Same with the Wisconsin quarter items. For a small niche, yes, it can be exciting, but the majority of collectors, particularly those who are knowledgeable (and may not be specialists that NEED each and every little thing), this is not major nor is it exciting.
The fact that you like it is cool. The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool.
So, someone (over)paid for it on ebay. Maybe they are speculating based on some others trying to pump it up? It happens.
So there hasn't been a TRUE MAJOR DDO in 20 years. That happens as well. Just because there isn't something honestly happening doesn't mean something should be made up to be what it isn't.
Sure there can be a place for Class VIII "doubled dies"...just not at the same dinner table as TRULY MAJOR DDOs. They can go sit at the kiddie table.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool. >>
Attack????????
This is just wrong on many levels. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm not asking anyone to anoint this coin with blessings.
I'm just saying be opened minded and stop bashing anyone that finds this class of doubled die interesting/valuable.
<< <i>
<< <i>The fact that you come back and attack anyone and everyone who doesn't jump on that bandwagon and who speaks out that they don't find it major, is not cool. >>
Attack????????
This is just wrong on many levels. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm not asking anyone to anoint this coin with blessings.
I'm just saying be opened minded and stop bashing anyone that finds this class of doubled die interesting/valuable. >>
How about keeping an open mind and stop bashing anyone who finds this "ddo" to be
(and, if you step back and think about it cooly, you will realize I am not the first to feel you are attacking folks...if people feel that, and you don't, then you should realize that you are coming across that way and decide if you want to keep it like that or change your approach. Totally up to you. Your passion on these issues is great, your approach to others who differ in their thoughts....not so much.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>How about keeping an open mind and stop bashing anyone who finds this "ddo" to be
I believe that I am open minded;............. sorry
I don't consider myself an "antiquarian".
I consider myself a numismatist "a person who studies coins" Not a someone that ridicules alternate ideas.
If you consider this to be a
I see LOTS of things that DO NOT interest me, in the least.
So, if it's of no interest; why comment at all ?
<< <i>
<< <i>How about keeping an open mind and stop bashing anyone who finds this "ddo" to be
I believe that I am open minded;............. sorry
I don't consider myself an "antiquarian".
I consider myself a numismatist "a person who studies coins" Not a someone that ridicules alternate ideas.
If you consider this to be a
I see LOTS of things that DO NOT interest me, in the least.
So, if it's of no interest; why comment at all ? >>
Easy question, so I will give you an answer.....
I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. See? Simple and honest answer
Maybe some day, you can see how attached you are to this. I can't think of a single coin/issue I have seen that I would bother fighting that much over. I may consider myself " a person who studies coins" but I haven't found any worth b*tching over this much. Commenting on? Sure. That's about it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. >>
I made it absolutely clear that I did not write the article or list the coin for sale.
So, what was misleading?
<< <i>I may consider myself " a person who studies coins" but I haven't found any worth b*tching over; commenting on? >>
Then STOP commenting on these
<< <i>...ALL you Antiquerians, dare I say Republicans... >>
I was intrigued up until this point.
<< <i>I was intrigued up until this point. >>
Ugh !!
<< <i>
<< <i>I opened the thread because of the title. I found it misleading as I own the 55 DDO, 72 DDO, and 95 DDO and was interested. Given what it actually is, and the photo, like I said, I found it misleading. >>
I made it absolutely clear that I did not write the article or list the coin for sale.
So, what was misleading? >>
The title of this thread. I too opened it because of MAJOR and was sorely disappointed...
<< <i>
<< <i>I may consider myself " a person who studies coins" but I haven't found any worth b*tching over; commenting on? >>
Then STOP commenting on these >>
Umm...... is my paycheck in the mail because you sound like you think you are my boss
Relax, take a chill pill, grab a beer. If you have found some of these, good for you, go sell them. If you haven't, keep looking. I am sure they are MAJOR enough to be worth thousands and you can bully people into accepting it as such.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I asked only that antiquarians open their minds to new, scholarly accredited, production methods and varieties
and comment with said expanded knowledge
<< <i>This is not an antiquarian comment.
Whatever dude. Expand thy feeble cerebrum. >>
And you wonder why people think you are attacking them... /eyeroll
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<< <i>Well, I guess someone found it to be MAJOR.
2014 WDDO-002 >>
To be fair 60$ means more to some than others but I agree that is a lot to pay for a new penny. >>
It's a cool find. Some people find it to be major and are excited about it. Why not just be happy for the hobby and collectors?
<< <i>Why not just be happy for the hobby and collectors? >>
THANK YOU !!!
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for a market to shoot for the Stars.
Will it be as big as the 1965 double dot Lincoln? Probably. Will it be as big as the Kennedy looking at Lincoln Cent?
......... well. ........... maybe not that big .....
<< <i>I can see excited people sifting through 1000's of rolls , slabbing up lots of examples and patiently waiting
for a market to shoot for the Stars. >>
I don't see that happening.
It might be cool if the label said "Distorted Die". Then "Single Squeeze" variety collectors could have their own classification; since there's not really two die impressions.
Then the traditionalists could keep their "Doubled Dies", which they truly are.
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<< <i>I guess it's me. Just not very exciting, compared to historical DDO's >>
Public just not interested in! What needs to happen (probably won't) is another "55 double die fiasco! Then watch the collecting public go WILD!
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The fact that these exist causes interest because the mint said no more, well some one at the mint was sort of wrong. JMO